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jororiggs
Posts: 14
Registered: ‎20-09-2008

Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

I would appreciate comment on the following suggestions. The Vodafone Sure Signal (femtocell) device enables users to get a good 3G signal in their home. However, Vodafone benefits from such use also. The user does not clog up the local cell and the back haul is done on the users own broadband connection for which the user pays. The customer pays for the Sure Signal as well, although probably less than the cost of actually manufacturing it. It would be a nice gesture if Vodafone would recognise this by reducing the cost of calls which are routed via the Sure Signal Device. I have often wondered why service providers do not utilise UK roaming. Why is it not possible for a Vodafone mobile to roam on Orange or O2 when there is no Vodafone signal available but there is a signal from another provider? I am not suggesting this should be enabled by default and I appreciate some people would never need it, but there are many who rely more and more upon their mobile phone and this option I believe would be welcomed. The providers would obviously charge extra for the service and so would gain revenue and I believe those who need it would be prepared to pay for the service. I am sure somebody will tell me that there is no way either of these suggestions could be implemented, but I just can't think of a reason at the moment!
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Virtuoso V
Nabs
Posts: 5,520
Registered: ‎06-05-2009

Re: Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

Hi jororiggs,

 

You raise fair points however I'll give you my opinions.

 

On issue of SureSignal. I can understand it's a frustration to have to pay for the device though the way I look at it is what you pay is nothing in comparison to the benefit it gives.
Many users who purchase and use the SureSignal because they cannot get connection to their local cell site hence they wouldn't be 'clogging' it up. My parents have one because where they live the connection isn't great and often drops out, With the Sure Signal this is no longer an issue.

In terms of charging a reduced rate for calls/texts/browsing routed via the SS i don't feel it should be the case. Vodafone need to pay for the maintenance and further development or the SS systems on their end, also remember if your calling another network Vodafone have to pay to connect your call throught to them so their overall costs for you placing a call via SS could actually be higher, Vodafone will never relase the figures o it's something we will never know.

 

As for roaming the call termination charges would be ridiculous between networks and costs to end users would just get silly + the networks would never agree on a standard pricing structure.



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jororiggs
Posts: 14
Registered: ‎20-09-2008

Re: Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

I take your point on the Sure Signal issues. However, with regard to the roaming suggestion, the charges made by the providers are, presumably, a matter of agreement between them. This has been resolved when going abroad. I can buy a SIM card with a non-UK number and roam on all networks here at reasonable cost so I don't fully understand why the providers won't allow roaming as they would profit from it. As I said in my original post, this is not for everyone but I am sure there are some groups of people who would use it. Has any provider ever looked at its viability?
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Nabs
Posts: 5,520
Registered: ‎06-05-2009

Re: Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

I think it's Ofcom that set pricing in the UK so there woudln't be much in it i guess.

 

I can see the beneifts of it from a customer perspective however the downside would be that Networks woudln't feel any need to keep upgrading areas as they can rely on roaming.

 

Overall i think that would be bad for consumers.

 

It's going to me amatter of opinoin though, will be good to see what other think.



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DaveCD
Posts: 4,266
Registered: ‎26-07-2011

Re: Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

Hi jororiggs

 

Thank you for your posts and you raise some very interesting points as does Nabs.

 

The Sure Signal is a great device unique to us and is there to help customers in poor signal locations and remote areas to use their mobile devices and the points raised by Nabs are great examples. Also, imagine the benefits of small businesses using these as well helping them to run and grow.

 

You are correct that the device itself is sold at a lower cost of what it takes to manufacture, so we pay a considerable amount for each unit so a customer can benefit from our services although calling other networks would still create inter-connect costs as well.

 

In an ideal world all the networks could link up and use each others networks, however as it stands the inter-connect costs would be monumental and where do you think this cost would go? I would say that a large proportion would be tailored into every price plan but that is only my opinion.

 

It could be said for many things, cars for example all have wheels, chassis' and engines. Why not have all manufacturers make the lot?

 

There are still costs whilst roaming and we have developed packages and agreements with other countries to keep the costs as little as possible for the customer, this can be seen in our Vodafone Passport for example.

 

We are a business and although we provide a service in a market used by the majority of the population we still have goals to achieve and grow as a business to provide better services and new developments.

 

Many Thanks

 

DaveCD

eForum Team

 

 

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jororiggs
Posts: 14
Registered: ‎20-09-2008

Re: Suggestions: 1. Sure Signal 2. Local Roaming

Thank you for commenting on my suggestions. With regard to UK roaming, I note you state that inter-connect costs would be monumental. I have no wish to appear obtuse but I don't fully understand why this should be as international roaming is possible at reasonable cost. Why shouldn't the same costs be applicable to UK roaming? In fact, UK roaming is already possible as a quick search of the Internet will demonstrate. A search will locate a number of sources for SIMs intended for international use which will connect to the strongest signal in any country including the UK The drawback is the number is usually foreign and so callers have to pay to make an international call. There is also the inconvenience of having an additional contact number. I assume there are no technical difficulties preventing domestic providers implementing UK roaming, so the reason it is not in operation must be due to business reasons or, as you suggest, cost implications. I still think it's a good idea but will have to accept it is unlikely to happen.
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