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Hi Guys,
I understand your frustration in this matter and I can assure you as soon as we are aware of any updates or information that we can pass on to you the eForum will be the first place we will post it.
Behind the scenes here we are chasing up with all the relevant departments about all the issues that are concerning you as customers, after all there are a number of the team here who are also using android devices who are keeping a close eye on any update from the devices team.
Thanks your patience guys.
David
eForum Team
I understand your frustration in this matter and I can assure you as soon as we are aware of any updates or information that we can pass on to you the eForum will be the first place we will post it.
Behind the scenes here we are chasing up with all the relevant departments about all the issues that are concerning you as customers, after all there are a number of the team here who are also using android devices who are keeping a close eye on any update from the devices team.
Thanks your patience guys.
David
eForum Team
been reading this thread for a while 
Whilst if we get an upgrade it will be great and fun to use no doubt, but the way people are almost demanding it is quite interesting.
Previously you bought a phone, you used it for a couple of years and then you replaced it - however now for some
reason (Apple?) people expect the phone to be constantly updated with the latest O/S , new features etc.
The thing I notice here is that if you buy an iPhone they are all the same, Apple are sort of committed to upgrading it and you get the updates from them.
However with an Android phone , there is a manufacturer (HTC in this case) , a network (Vodafone in this case) that all have to absorb the cost of taking a new version of Android from Google , making it work on existing handsets (and there are loads unlike the iPhone remember!) and distribute it all to us for zero revenue stream.
I can understand why the upgrades don't come flooding out as in pure sales terms, afterall what is in it for them ?
Whilst if we get an upgrade it will be great and fun to use no doubt, but the way people are almost demanding it is quite interesting.
Previously you bought a phone, you used it for a couple of years and then you replaced it - however now for some
reason (Apple?) people expect the phone to be constantly updated with the latest O/S , new features etc.
The thing I notice here is that if you buy an iPhone they are all the same, Apple are sort of committed to upgrading it and you get the updates from them.
However with an Android phone , there is a manufacturer (HTC in this case) , a network (Vodafone in this case) that all have to absorb the cost of taking a new version of Android from Google , making it work on existing handsets (and there are loads unlike the iPhone remember!) and distribute it all to us for zero revenue stream.
I can understand why the upgrades don't come flooding out as in pure sales terms, afterall what is in it for them ?
been reading this thread for a while
Whilst if we get an upgrade it will be great and fun to use no doubt, but the way people are almost demanding it is quite interesting.
Previously you bought a phone, you used it for a couple of years and then you replaced it - however now for some
reason (Apple?) people expect the phone to be constantly updated with the latest O/S , new features etc.
The thing I notice here is that if you buy an iPhone they are all the same, Apple are sort of committed to upgrading it and you get the updates from them.
However with an Android phone , there is a manufacturer (HTC in this case) , a network (Vodafone in this case) that all have to absorb the cost of taking a new version of Android from Google , making it work on existing handsets (and there are loads unlike the iPhone remember!) and distribute it all to us for zero revenue stream.
I can understand why the upgrades don't come flooding out as in pure sales terms, afterall what is in it for them ?
what costs? Not sure what you refer to here.
Google produce the Android Operating system and distribute it free(it comes from their servers + Vodafone can't argue about the data used during the OTA update as it comes out of your allowence).
There is no need for any additional work to be carried out. Anything that is is done so at the cost of the network as it's their choice, there is no requirement to do it.
There are plenty of unlocked/rooted handset using the nework the VF has never once tested and they work fine on the network.
@nabs
They need to customise the package for the Vodafone market. Quite a few settings, functions, branding, etc need to be altered. Also, it needs to be tested, to avoid loads of customers suddenly having a broken phone!
zzubnik,
The only settings required are those allowing it to connect to the vodafone network. these can be sent as a seperate update to the firmware or can be entered manualy by the end user.
Google will not release the firmware if the functionality did not work therefore functionality need not be tested any further.
With regards to branding, this is completely un-neccesary many users do not like/want the branding on the phone.
Agreed they need to test the update process, nobody want a bricked handset but this should take no longer than a few days to do.
nabs
I'll throw in my trilby about the debate 
Regarding Android, I don't think any mobile OS has seen the sudden growth it has seen since its birth. After all Version 1.0 was out in Feb 2009! And I had one with my G1! Google are working out more effective methods of firmware deployment and they have also announced that official firmware releases will be slowed right down to once per year. This will then give ample time to their partners (HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Acer, Sony Ericsson etc) to customise Android to their own unique interface.
Also this should give even more time to network operators such as Vodafone, O2, 3 Network, Orange, etc to test them internally, knowing that there is a more solid software development cycle in place.
If you really want the latest firmware then you'd have to root. Going beyond that, if you want no-nonsense official firmware upgrades then get the Nexus One which is supplied directly from Google themselves and thus will get the official firmware push out first.
The reason for the delays though from network providers (some more than others) I can't say for sure since I'm not privy to such information. However I honestly can't imagine it being overly complex because Google offers Android in a fit and working state. Branding then needs to be applied (a boot image added to the SPL), default links modified, default apps removed/rebranded, signed, then shipped.
In terms of development, all the testing can be done via the Android emulator as well as live on a ADP/rooted phone and I'm sure the companies in question have some bright guys working in the software development section to deal with it. Which then leaves me to the other issue... Distribution. We've seen how long it can take for updates to be pushed out to people's phones OTA. Personally I would rather download the file on my computer because at least some file integrity checks can be done (maybe MD5 is used for mobile OTA too?) and thus won't botch up a firmware upgrade.
Anyway I'll stop ranting and get some sleep
Regarding Android, I don't think any mobile OS has seen the sudden growth it has seen since its birth. After all Version 1.0 was out in Feb 2009! And I had one with my G1!
Google are working out more effective methods of firmware deployment and they have also announced that official firmware releases will be slowed right down to once per year. This will then give ample time to their partners (HTC, Motorola, Samsung, Acer, Sony Ericsson etc) to customise Android to their own unique interface.Also this should give even more time to network operators such as Vodafone, O2, 3 Network, Orange, etc to test them internally, knowing that there is a more solid software development cycle in place.
If you really want the latest firmware then you'd have to root. Going beyond that, if you want no-nonsense official firmware upgrades then get the Nexus One which is supplied directly from Google themselves and thus will get the official firmware push out first.
The reason for the delays though from network providers (some more than others) I can't say for sure since I'm not privy to such information. However I honestly can't imagine it being overly complex because Google offers Android in a fit and working state. Branding then needs to be applied (a boot image added to the SPL), default links modified, default apps removed/rebranded, signed, then shipped.
In terms of development, all the testing can be done via the Android emulator as well as live on a ADP/rooted phone and I'm sure the companies in question have some bright guys working in the software development section to deal with it. Which then leaves me to the other issue... Distribution. We've seen how long it can take for updates to be pushed out to people's phones OTA. Personally I would rather download the file on my computer because at least some file integrity checks can be done (maybe MD5 is used for mobile OTA too?) and thus won't botch up a firmware upgrade.
Anyway I'll stop ranting and get some sleep
I'll throw in my trilby about the debate
Regarding Android, I don't think any mobile OS has seen the sudden growth it has seen since its birth. After all Version 1.0 was out in Feb 2009! And I had one with my G1!
Also this should give even more time to network operators such as Vodafone, O2, 3 Network, Orange, etc to test them internally, knowing that there is a more solid software development cycle in place.
If you really want the latest firmware then you'd have to root. Going beyond that, if you want no-nonsense official firmware upgrades then get the Nexus One which is supplied directly from Google themselves and thus will get the official firmware push out first.
The reason for the delays though from network providers (some more than others) I can't say for sure since I'm not privy to such information. However I honestly can't imagine it being overly complex because Google offers Android in a fit and working state. Branding then needs to be applied (a boot image added to the SPL), default links modified, default apps removed/rebranded, signed, then shipped.
In terms of development, all the testing can be done via the Android emulator as well as live on a ADP/rooted phone and I'm sure the companies in question have some bright guys working in the software development section to deal with it. Which then leaves me to the other issue... Distribution. We've seen how long it can take for updates to be pushed out to people's phones OTA. Personally I would rather download the file on my computer because at least some file integrity checks can be done (maybe MD5 is used for mobile OTA too?) and thus won't botch up a firmware upgrade.
Anyway I'll stop ranting and get some sleep
Most of us with custom ROMs have upgraded to class 6 Micro SD cards and applied some other performance tweaks that cannot be done with an OTA update. In spite of all these, our experience is that 2.1 is more resource hungry and slower than 1.6 - I just can't see this flying on stock devices with class 2 cards.
Some may wonder why Cyanogen can manage what he does? well, he does so using experimental ROMs with disclaimers, and it takes several iterations before he gets it right, he has no responsibility for bricked or damage caused by his ROMs, a corporate body can't work like this, the financial hit of support/returns/replacements caused by an unstable ROM is too high a risk to take.
To the credit of the VF/HTC/Google alliance, the 1.6 upgrade happened very quickly, the only hope for a further ROM upgrade IMO is if froyo is optimised enough to run on the stock phone with reasonable performance. The fact that some other providers have announced froyo ROMs for 32B devices should not be taken for granted that it will happen, there's been previous announcements that never happened - the HTC Hero upgrades as an example - they're mostly still on 1.5. One can't say for sure that a ROM will be released until it's applied and tested satisfactorily.
Taking all these into account, one should understand why vodafone isn't able to make any speculative comments with regards to future ROM upgrades, like I've said previously, let's be patient and see if a 32B device anywhere in the world gets froyo.
FF
If you really want the latest firmware then you'd have to root. Going beyond that, if you want no-nonsense official firmware upgrades then get the Nexus One which is supplied directly from Google themselves and thus will get the official firmware push out first.
If you want the latest firmware updates DONT get a Nexus One through Vodafone, go direct to Google, pay the $529!
Us VF Nexus one users are having to wait "At least a couple of weeks" roughly translated means - When the rest of the Nexus One users get Gingerbread we will get Froyo. Thats how it worked when i had my magic!
I'd have been as well not bothering to upgrade my contract.
nabs
