19-03-2012 09:51 AM
i'll be very surprised if it's out today to be honest. i'd love it to be, as when you check the internet there are claims vodafone are working "double time" to get this release out. if it's by the end of the week i'm happy.
wouldn't it be nice if vodafone surprised us and got it out today?!?
19-03-2012 03:05 PM
Now, I understand about bloatware and junkware but what I find hilarious is that vodafone, a mobile provider, needs to quality check a product made by google (world renowned creator of android) and adapted by samsung (who make the galaxy s2 and best understand how it works)
ICS was unveiled last year, 5 months people, and it takes this long for the worlds most prevailant smartphone to get the update? All this experience has taught me, as handset security is of the upmost importance to me, that in future i will be going pure google. Nexus all the way.
19-03-2012 03:16 PM
With my last phone, it was over a year between release, and Vodafone managing to update the handsets.
19-03-2012 03:18 PM - edited 19-03-2012 03:19 PM
sounds like the best way to do things tinman1.
android operating system, ready, samsung adapting it for the s2, ready. vodafone, one of the largest mobile service providers in the UK and also well renowned worldwide.............. coming, erm, not sure...we'll let you know.
the annoying thing about it all is that it appears as if vodafone have had this software for at least a month now. how long does it take to have a team of people make sure it's all "ok for us to use"? this isn't a firmware update for a nokia 3310, this is a firmware update for probably their most popular contract maker. most popular android phone on the market to date! this phone sells, so you would have thought it would be a priority to nail this update and get it out there. show the mobile community that vodafone are the best because they don't drag their feet with updates. i love vodafone as a provider, i love my galaxy s2 but starting to wish i'd bought the thing from carphone warehouse now. i'd have the update by now. but instead i chose to support the mobile network.i could root my phone but as this voids everything i'd rather take the safe route and go with official updates. something to think about when it comes to upgrade time.
end of rant
19-03-2012 04:05 PM
Vodafone had not responded....you really know how to do great PR don't you!
Sometimes the simple answer is overlooked because it's technology that's complicated!
19-03-2012 04:08 PM
Still nothing on Kies. No SGS2 update. What's the "roll-out" all about? Surely if the update has been tested and approved for all generic, unlocked, SIM free and CPW devices then it should already be live? Putting different regions or supplier branded (not network branded) updates on an artificial web server waiting list, such as the Carphone Warehouse unlocked models, is a bit pointless?
If it's ready and approved, then surely it's ready for everyone regardless of location? I seriously doubt there would be any kind of bandwidth issue with these updates, assuming they are put on a first come first served basis, like most other reputable Internet based services.
In this day and age of unification this is a seriously poor show. Dangle a carrot and then take an ice age to do anything about it? Annoying is an understatement.
19-03-2012 04:26 PM
Im going to so something different here, show vodafones point of view. Bear with me!
Everyone on this post cares about the upgrade, its obvious as we are here reading and posting, spent time searching for the update, when is it released, what it can do etc. The sad fact is most GS2 owners dont know or care about the update, they just care that at the moment their phone works and are mostly happy with it, mention ICS or touchwiz and expect a blank expression. I know this as i know about 20 people with this phone and so far im the only one who knows that the update iscoming today and about half were interested when I mentioned it.
At this moment I can probably guarantee that vodafones call centres are not inundated with calls from people demanded the update or where it is, today is business as usual. We are in the minority when it comes to the most up to date software for our prized possesion. They are not going to hurry to bow down to the minority.
Having looked at videos and reviews for TW ICS, it looks pretty much like Gingerbread TW with a few differencies, not exactly the huge change ICS made to Android upon release. Under the hood a lot has changed but on the front its the same. A shame as TW is looking very dated.
19-03-2012 05:05 PM
I have heard that it has started to be rolled out today, but I havent heard from anyone who has had the update yet? Can anyone give me anymore information?
Thanks in advance
19-03-2012 05:23 PM
19-03-2012 05:24 PM
@tinman1, It's not unusual to find a power user amongst SGS2 users and I'd hazard a guess that the people among owners who are tech savvy are many more in number than you appear to assume.
Just the other day I came across not one but a number of my friends, ranting about the USB Host issue on 2.3.4, because Samsung in their infinite wisdom decided to remove all USB Host API access, in favour of only allowing kernel mode access, with the limitation of using the USB port purely for disc drive access and nothing more. The issue with rooting is that the average user (note: not software engineer) are not interested in compromising security or stability of their mobile media device.
Compare this to the ICS incarnation of Android and you'll find that a ton more devices are supported simply by making the API access more integrated with the OS, therefore making it difficult to completely remove in an acceptable and satisfactory manner, like it should have been with Gingerbread.
Now owners can start using USB cameras, audio recorders, microphones, disc drives, DSLR cameras with Chainfire's DSLR Controller and whatever they damned well please, as they should have been able to do with 2.3.4.
I don't know many people with the SGS2 that don't try to use it to it's full potential and the people that don't are exactly as you describe.
Unfortunately Samsung have limited the SGS2's connectivity to such an extent that it is extremely evident, to me at least and to others in my social circle, that the device has become crippled in such a way that limits it from being useful in the fields that it was aimed at.
Coupling a dual core CPU, enhanced graphics capabilities, a super bright screen, ruggedness allowing multiple drops without breakage and USB Host capability makes it a prime candidate for photographic use such as Chainfire's DSLR Controller amongst others. Coupled with the ability to add Class 10 microSD storage and HDMI connectivity makes it perfect for High Definition video storage and retrieval. USB Host capability also allows the use of professional USB mics making the device a more than capable field audio recorder with exceptionally high quality and extreme mobility. In a nutshell, this is a powerhouse crippled by needless software wankery.
This to me, as it does to many people I know, makes it the ONLY choice for a multi purpose mobile media device, negating the need for lugging around other mobile computing equipment and realising the device's full potential via the use of the HDMI and USB Host capability, ICS is the Holy Grail for this as it promises the return of USB Host capability in a way that was only dreamed about by Gingerbread and Froyo users. Only the rooted had the luxury of such functionality but at what cost? Security? Stability? Privacy?
Trying to make a point is one thing, backing it up with sound knowledge and experience from the field and real life is another universe entirely.
19-03-2012 05:28 PM
That's pretty poor workmanship if you ask me then, because pure vodafone customers who have bought their phone direct from vodafone like I have, will be waiting. But I also don't see why Sim Only should get them first aswell, its the same phone, same sim, same network what's the difference between it all?
19-03-2012 05:42 PM
Im not for one second saying that there arent people out there using their phone to its full potential, as i stated before we are here because we want the latest software. However a lot of journalists have reported pretty much what i said in my last post, the majority of mobile phone users, including GS2 owners, use it as a phone first, smartphone functionality second.
19-03-2012 05:51 PM
19-03-2012 07:15 PM
Vodafone do check the roms but we have no idea who with
and they do lightly bloat them
the last had 360 on but as that has now gone
the other thing is Google has to approve this as there using there network now
now if Google does not like what they have done then they will send it back
Now the roll out has clearly not happened and I have not herd anything back yet on my emails
Roll outs can be very sporadic
For XEU customers keep checking kies onece a day
Vodafone customers you will get a message on your phone
Now there is a big launch going on so the updates may happen before the SG3 if not the bad press would be Horrible
the main problem is that its a Major Update and not a fix rom so every one wants it and some need it to fix problems
its will come
19-03-2012 07:30 PM
The simple fact that casual users have this phone doesn't mean that there is a only small user base of advanced users. You just have to look at the specs and the price to work out that it's safe to assume that the majority of users will have based their investment on it's advertised hardware capabilities. The price is just too high and the technobabble just too overwhelming for the average user to justify purchase. It's like the age old argument, do you buy a smart phone for the status symbol and style or for it's raw functionality and features? The former would usually choose the iPhone, unless of course they were subject to an ear bashing from the latter. The guesswork involved in assuming the bulk of a user base really needs some thought. For every one tech savvy user who posts in forums, there will be another thousand just reading them. I don't see how this can be compared to casual users of the same hardware.
19-03-2012 08:02 PM
The GS2 can now be picked up 'relatively' cheaply on contract with the handset free, and the common argument is why would they spend £2 - £3 a month less on a phone worth £200 when the £2 - £3 a month more will give them a phone £500+ for free. It comes down to value for money in that sense. That and they like the bigger screen!
My arguments come from the many documented reports using evidence based on research that shows the power users are very much in the minority.
20-03-2012 12:38 AM - edited 20-03-2012 12:41 AM
in a sense you guys are both correct
Now I don't normally sing Apples praises but the lack of fragmentation does win votes
Now Your Fellow Galaxy s users are now getting the full force of fragmentation as were not getting ICS
Now like for like the Galaxy s is the same as the Iphone 4 and there getting updates still so i can see the EX iphone users slant on this
Now this is a Samsung Problem
when Google Launch a new rom its then passed to Manufacture now in the mean time the Google phone gets the Rom
Now Manufacture first test the rom on every phone some phones are now so old they will not take it or the specs just can not handle the update
Now Google has a min spec for phone But manufacture please them self on what gets what
Now most manufacture other then Hawawi put there own launchers on to make there phones a bit different
Now back to the S2 a stock S2 has a XEU rom this is a open Europe rom and is made by Samsung now before that update gets sent out its sent to Networks for them to "TEST!!!" ( Or do what ever) Now the S2 is a exception to the rule as the Vodafone version now updates just like the Google Nexus and HTC devices
This took the S2 upto 2.3.5 stock are on 2.3.4 Now with android because it is open sauce there are a lot of manufactures using this and fragmentation is a nightmare
This is were apple wins as there is only one manufacture
Now if you want a Pure android phone then it has to be Googles own
Now others have different hardware and other stuff e.g. cameras
The main hold up are Networks on the Galaxy S we all got 2.3.5 in October 2011 Vodafone customer got there last ever Rom 2.3.6 last month and its the same as 2.3.5 the version XEU customers are getting has new features so Vod customers will miss out
Google need to stop this Fragmentation and we all thought ICS was going to stop this
But as always Money talks with manufactures holding back
At CES in the USA it was supposed to be all ICS it wasn't and ICS had been out for months
At Barcelona Google took a stand on this thankfully all the new boys were using ICS others blagged there way out of it
Samsung think every thing is all sweet but as they sold 10 Million and they all though we would do what Iphone users do and go for the S2
Nope main reason was updates at some point the S2 will have this problem Sasmusung only do updates on there phone for 12 months but Vodafone pad 12 months out to 24 months and between the updates we all suffer
at the end of the day were all in the same boat
Networks don't Listern FACT!!!!
Manufactures Don't Lister FACT!!!
On here i no its Vodafone but we do and the eforum does on network and accounts stuff
at some point they will st back and listern or we all get Google or Iphones !!!!!!