[James_Vodafone]

Hey Guys,

Just thought I'd pop on and confirm that we don't have any further information on this as of yet however, as soon as we do we will let you and all of our eForum members know.

James
eForum Team

[puchchu]

James_Vodafone, on Oct 8 2009, 06:13 PM, said:

Hey Guys,

Just thought I'd pop on and confirm that we don't have any further information on this as of yet however, as soon as we do we will let you and all of our eForum members know.

James
eForum Team

I dont know but somehow I beleive mods that its google. The HTC Magic is unlocked and can be used on any network. One can also officially buy GOOGLE branded unlocked phone as well officially. So if VF is to push the updates how users on other network will receive it? Since, the only way possible to receiving updates is OTA it can not be totaly carrier dependent
I know for sure, one of my friends who has HTC-Magic and not on VF received update same time as me!
These are my thoughts!

Puchchu


____________________
I Love My Magic

[dunnerz]

puchchu, on Oct 8 2009, 06:57 PM, said:

I dont know but somehow I beleive mods that its google. The HTC Magic is unlocked and can be used on any network. One can also officially buy GOOGLE branded unlocked phone as well officially. So if VF is to push the updates how users on other network will receive it? Since, the only way possible to receiving updates is OTA it can not be totaly carrier dependent
I know for sure, one of my friends who has HTC-Magic and not on VF received update same time as me!
These are my thoughts!

Puchchu


____________________
I Love My Magic

Okay - think of it this way - google can't "push" an update (how do they know where the phones are) so you would have to go to settings and select the check for updates option (unless android is periodically checking for updates, which it does with the market)

I'm sure this would probably work, but what I think happens is that google say to the network - here is an update, push it to your subscribers, and the network will do it in stages to avoid dos'ing their own network.

At the end of the day, we can only go on what has happened before - cupcake was rolled out to the "with google" g1's by the network, and I believe that the early magic phones had an update rolled out to them by vodafone.

But it doesn't really matter - as long as we get the update within a reasonable time period !!

[pilchardfish]

For what it's worth, I think Google push it out. The phone connects to the internet, however that may be, that's sufficient for the phone to check for updates and request them if available to it. As people have said, if I move to 02 or Orange in years to come, how will my magic get updates then? Over the internet probably via their network from Google. It's the only sensible option.

BUT.

I don't like all this silence. Someone must know somewhere WHEN these updates will be applied; I don't get why there's this air of silence ... irrespective of VF's policy on not commenting on firmware updates blah blah, given the unique nature of this handset (ie Donut's been on the cards for months) they must have some idea, some techie in an office at their Berkshire HQ, who's been told it'll be rolled out commencing xxx ... we're not talking a rubbishy firmware update for some rubbishy phone ... we're talking a mega update for a high end phone ...



Rant rant rant

Pilchardfish

[Gawler]

Hey Guys,
I'm new to the Vodafone forums but thought I'd share my experience with ya!
I rooted my Magic a couple of months back and had been playing with the HTC Hero firmware but when the 1.6 update was released in America a very well know developers site had the firmware available to install on rooted phones. It was firmware released by HTC for Google branded Ion phones and was the final firmware.
I installed it on my rooted Magic and it all went fine and I was running 1.6 Donut. A couple of days ago I got an update message saying I could update to 1.6 (meaning I'd lose root). I am still using my Voda sim so this might show that Google sends out the updates not Vodafone. Hope this helps!

Gawler

This post has been edited by Gawler: 09 October 2009 - 09:17 AM

[edesignuk]

Moderator, on Oct 7 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

As there seems to be a lot of conflicting information whether Google push the update, or whether Vodafone does it, we've contacted the device management team to get a definitive reply to you all.

Indeed there does. I've always thought of Vodafone as being the slightly more expensive, but better choice of carrier. I can't quite believe that none of you can give a solid answer as to who/how the update gets released, even after days/weeks of faffing around.

What a farce :rolleyes:

[shapey]

for those that haven't bothered to read anything in this thread... :rolleyes:

google push the update to "with google" handsets (most likely through the handset's internet connection)

the question we are trying to get an answer to is;

do vodafone instruct google to push the update to vodafone handsets?

google dev says that it is down to vodafone to tell them when to push the update to vodafone (with google) handsets.

vodafone mods on here say that google send the update and it has nothing to do with vodafone.

only one of them can be correct. we are trying to find out which one.


when this has been figured out, we can then try and find out when the update will be pushed...


@ Gawler
thanks for the input, but as your phone is rooted and is running custom firmware it doesn't really help with this situation.

[PICNIC]

I've got something to put "the spanner in the works"

1) I spoke to two advisors today who were confident the device management team passed a message internally that their is definetly an update and it's due at the end of October

2) They say the people responsible for sending out the OTA update is HTC themselves :rolleyes:

So now thats a 3rd company that could provide us the update ............. take your pick which one it is loool

PICNIC

P.s whoever said theirs probably no more "with Google" phones well have a look at the Samsung moment here

This post has been edited by PICNIC: 09 October 2009 - 11:20 AM

[shapey]

PICNIC, on Oct 9 2009, 12:16 PM, said:

I've got something to put "the spanner in the works"

1) I spoke to two advisors today who were confident the device management team passed a message internally that their is definetly an update and it's due at the end of October

2) They say the people responsible for sending out the OTA update is HTC themselves :rolleyes:

So now thats a 3rd company that could provide us the update ............. take your pick which one it is loool

PICNIC

advisers from where? vodafone? google? htc?

they were confident that there was a message passed internally?
or confident of an update at the end of october?

[PICNIC]

shapey, on Oct 9 2009, 12:22 PM, said:

advisers from where? vodafone? google? htc?

they were confident that there was a message passed internally?
or confident of an update at the end of october?

1) CS Advisor's from Vodafone

2) The vodafone employees spoke to today their was a message internally from the Device management team about the update

3) The message passed internally to vodafone was the update was definitely due and should be around the end of October.

So mods , any answer from the device management team on your end?

PICNIC

[shapey]

PICNIC, on Oct 9 2009, 12:42 PM, said:

1) CS Advisor's from Vodafone

2) The vodafone employees spoke to today their was a message internally from the Device management team about the update

3) The message passed internally to vodafone was the update was definitely due and should be around the end of October.

So mods , any answer from the device management team on your end?

PICNIC

it'd still be nice to hear something officially from vodafone about this.

CS advisers could easily be making this up to fob you off (they're good at that sort of thing...)
them telling you that the update comes from HTC sounds iffy to me since somebody from google has already confirmed that they (google) push the update - although there's no way of knowing if the google android dev knows for sure either... but if he was going to lie then he'd probably have passed the buck onto someone else.

a press release would be nice (and give vodafone lots of free publicity, as it's bound to get posted all over the web on all the phone/gadget/tech sites)

[puchchu]

I agree with what Picnic said which is same waht i satted earlier. VF is not responsible for the update. It is the phone manufacturer who is responsible. Just because the HTC/Google is using OTA we can not start putting VF responsible.
HTC in aggrement with Google decides on the timing of upgrade.
Also, as I daid b4 this phone can be used on any network and everyone gets update so updates are not just carried on VF's network it is available for all phones irrespective of networks.

Puchchu

[puchchu]

I agree with what Picnic said which is same waht i satted earlier. VF is not responsible for the update. It is the phone manufacturer who is responsible. Just because the HTC/Google is using OTA we can not start putting VF responsible. For e.g. in case of Nokia phones you would expect Nokia to provide updates by conencting through computer and the same goes for Windows Mobile updates. The phone manufaturer along with the OS (Operarting System) decides. Noting to do with carrier.

HTC in aggrement with Google decides on the timing of upgrade.

Also, as I daid b4 this phone can be used on any network and everyone gets update so updates are not just carried on VF's network it is available for all phones irrespective of networks.

Puchchu

[PICNIC]

I agree a press release would be nice and yes Indeed they could have literally just have tried to fob me off..........

I just rang HTC aswell and the Man had told me that they do not push the update it's Vodafone's Modified ROM on a HTC handset , so it's them I need to contact {which we already have}. I'm going around in circles I suppose it's simply best to leave it and simply wait and see as were getting no-where

So guys and Girls ........Sit back.............relax.......... and Watch your Donut {very slowly}.........roll in

[tony5101]

Dear Lord - I hope after all of this, the update has been worth it - seems like some people are going to burst a blood vessel if they don't get the update NOW! :rolleyes:

Seriously though - it'll happen when it happens - just sit tight and wait

[maddogUK]

PICNIC, on Oct 9 2009, 01:06 PM, said:

I agree a press release would be nice and yes Indeed they could have literally just have tried to fob me off..........

I just rang HTC aswell and the Man had told me that they do not push the update it's Vodafone's Modified ROM on a HTC handset , so it's them I need to contact {which we already have}. I'm going around in circles I suppose it's simply best to leave it and simply wait and see as were getting no-where

So guys and Girls ........Sit back.............relax.......... and Watch your Donut {very slowly}.........roll in

Well done and thank you for the hard work mate. Seems to be another case of ###### & elbow! At least someone is trying.


P.S. The Samsung Moment looked nice - shame it will be crippled by the operators.

[Fast Response]

Hi guys,

I thought I'd jump on to give you an update. We've just found out that Donut will be rolled out from 19th October. There is more information here

regards

Moderator
Vodafone eForum

[shapey]

Moderator, on Oct 9 2009, 01:58 PM, said:

Hi guys,

I thought I'd jump on to give you an update. We've just found out that Donut will be rolled out from 19th October. There is more information here

regards

Moderator
Vodafone eForum

fantastic! thanks very much!

[dalitso]

ha and a ha....!

[PICNIC]

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh OMG YES YES YES YES YES!!!!