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Want to use a 3rd party router - will a Zyxel Speedlink 5501 Work?

4: Newbie

Hi guys

So, long story short, i need to replace the Vodafone router with one that supports DDNS, as i want to use a Vpn. 

After doing some research, it looks like i will have to use the Live Chat to get my DSL username and password, and i may have to say i plan on using an Openreach approved modem. 

I'm looking for a cheap solution here, and it looks like you can pick up a Zyxel Speedlink 5501 off fleabay for under £30. This model is listed as being one that is supported by DynuDNS. 

So, i guess what i need to know is, will this work? Assuming i get the username and password, will i be able to use the 5501 on it's own, or will i need to put a modem (such as a HG612) before it?

TIA!

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13: Advanced Member

It appears to be a VDSL2 router so no it won't need a separate modem, however which Vodafone router do you have as my THG3000 (Vox3) has support for 6 different DDNS services. (I haven't tried to use any of them though).

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4: Newbie

Wow, wasn't expecting a response so soon, thanks!

I only signed up back in March and the router settings state  Hardware Type of Vox3.0v so i guess it's the same as yours? 

I have an LG Smart TV and i use it to view IPTV through an App. I recently signed up to ExpressVPN and was going through the guide below, to get it setup with the TV. Everything goes fine up until the part where it says......'Next, follow this guide to set up the Dynu DDNS service on your router (note: not all router brands are supported).'

This part of the guide seems to show a list of supported routers along the right hand side, and the Vodafone router is not listed, but the Zyxel 5501 is.

Here is the link to the guide iv'e been following:

 

https://www.expressvpn.com/support/vpn-setup/lg-smart-tv-mediastreamer/

 

If i could use the Vodafone router that would be amazing, as it would save me the hassle and cost of sourcing a new router.

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4: Newbie

I'll try that again, i think my last post got deleted due to me including a couple of links. 

Basically, i am following ExpressVPN's guide for setting up their VPN on a Smart TV (an LG in my case). Their guide suggests using Dynu DNS as it's free, but it appears that it only supports certain routers, of which the Zyxel is one. 

 

I have since logged into the Vodafone router, and i can see that it does include a small list of DDNS providers. I might just try setting once up with changeip (i think it's free) and see if that works. Would certianly save me a lot of hassle if it does! 

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13: Advanced Member

If you are using a VPN to connect to remote services there is no need to use DDNS, you would only need that if you are using a VPN to access your system externally and don't have a fixed IP address.

At least that is how I see it. I stand to be corrected if anyone knows better.

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4: Newbie

The VPN is just to try and improve the performance of my IPTV.  It buffers a lot, for no good reason as my connection speed (32MB) is fine, so I wanted to give a VPN a go to see if it helped. 

Anyways, i set up a free domain name with changeip and it seems like it has worked, so fingers crossed! 

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16: Advanced member

@Jayach The reason for using a DDNS for the service is that it allows for quick dynamic account verification - It's not just some VPNs that use the technique but the IPv6 tunnelling service I use does the same too!

 

*With just a Raspberry Pi, you can also use multiple DDNS services (without using a DDNS broker) - I could probably run the software on the router too, but the earache if the router crashes is not worth it!

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4: Newbie

Didn't understand a single word of that Keith! 😅

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13: Advanced Member

@KeithAlger wrote:

@Jayach The reason for using a DDNS for the service is that it allows for quick dynamic account verification - It's not just some VPNs that use the technique but the IPv6 tunnelling service I use does the same too!


Thanks @KiethAlger. I just watched the Express VPN tutorial on YouTube and as far as I could tell the TV will still not be using a VPN. Still no worries as I use Nord.

@xiga, has your streaming improved?

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4: Newbie

With 2 kids now I don't get many opportunities to watch live sports these days, but any time I do sit down to watch a Utd game the buffering has been insufferable lately. 

I made a point of watching the 2nd half of the Burnley v Spurs match tonight and it didn't buffer once, so maybe just maybe.

The real test will be the CL game on Wed night. If it works then, then I'll know.

ExpressVPN has a 30 day money back guarantee anyway, so I have a while to really test it out, but early signs are positive. 

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16: Advanced member

Unless the modem/router has VPN built into it the only way to use it to watch TV would be to cast from a client device running VPN software to the TV.

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4: Newbie

Way to burst my bubble Keith! 😐

Hmm, now that I am a paying customer, I might bring this query directly to ExpressVPN and see what they say. It's hard to see how they can rightfully advertise something that doesn't actually function. 

At the end of the day, if it turns out that it's not actually doing anything and the buffering has not actually improved, then I'll just pick up a used H612 and Netgear r7000 and just install ExpressVPN firmware onto it.

That should at least work, right? 

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13: Advanced Member

I honestly can't see how any VPN can improve streaming, I would think it can only ever slow the speed down.

I read the piece on the the Express VPN site about DDNS, MediaStreamer and it acting as a "smart DNS" and I have to say it all sounded like snake oil.

Hopefully I am missing something and it will work, but I can't help feeling your streaming problems are down to something else.

 

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4: Newbie

You could well be right. I should point out, the streaming actually works great nearly all the time, it's just whenever there is a big match on during primetime that I seem to have issues, and I've been suspecting that it is Voodoo slowing things down behind the scenes. 

Will report back on performance over the coming days and weeks. 

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4: Newbie

Thought i would update the thread, as things have changed a little. 

Streaming has been pretty good, with just the odd bit of buffering here and there, but i figured if i was going to sign up to a vpn, then i might as well make sure i am getting the most out of it. So i went and picked up a Netgear Nighthawk R7000 router (it came pre-installed with Merlin software, which seems pretty good) but i am struggling to get it connected, so i need a little help please. 

I have read through various other posts, so i kind of knew what i needed to do, but still i am having no joy. I got my ppoe username and password and have tried inputting them into the R7000 (connected via WAN) but it just keeps telling me invalid account details, as though the username or password are not correct. I actually got the details twice, from 2 different advisors, and they were the same, so i think they are correct. The details i were given were as follows:

Username- dslxxxxxxxxx at broadband.vodafone.co.uk
Password- ********

Some additional details
"•VPI – 0
•VCI – 38
•Encapsulation/protocol – PPPoA (PPP over ATM)
•Framing/multiplexing – VC-based or VC-MUX (some routers will have this listed as PPPoA VC-MUX)
•Modulation – Multimode or Auto
NOTE: Specific modes will be either G.dmt/ITU G992.1 (ADSL1) or ITU G992.5 (ADSL2+)

•Security/authentication type – CHAP
•Idle timeout – No or 0
•MTU size – 1492
•IP address – Obtain automatically from ISP
•Default gateway – Obtain automatically from ISP

 

Now, apart from the username and password, i can only find an input for the MTU size, and none of the other info given above. The LAN settings does have an IPTV tab that lets me set VID to 101, and i've done that, but i don't see a security/authentication type anywhere. 

I've attached screenshots below of what the WAN settings look like in my router. 

Anyone have any ideas where i'm going wrong? Do i need a separate modem (like an HG612)? I thought i could just use the Voda router to take care of that part, but maybe i'm wrong?

TIA.

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4: Newbie

* Bump*

 

I'm tearing my hair out with this now, lol. 

So i picked up an HG612 and flashed it with the WebGui firmware. I was able to log into the WebGui to set all the settings. I have read so many posts and threads (even the huge How to use a 3rd party router thread) so i really thought this would work, but still no joy. From what i've read, the 612 is setup by default in Bridge mode for a VDSL connection, but from the info Voda sent me (in my earlier post above) i think i am on an ADSL connection, and not VDSL. So i set up an ATM line and then picked that up in the Basic-WAN settings, with 802.1q enabled and all the usual stuff, Vlan 101, etc. I wasn't sure if Bridge mode should be IP_Bridged or PPOE_Bridged so i tried both, and still no connection. I should point out, the DSL light on the 612 is a solid green, but there is no light at all on the Internet LED on the R7000. 

 

At this stage i have tried just about everything and i am ready to throw the whole lot out the window! I really didn't think it would be this hard to connect a damn router 😕

Based on all of this, together with the info and screenshots above, does anyone have any bright ideas as to where i am going wrong? I really don't think it's the login credentials, i' have got them 3 times now, they are always the same and there are no ambiguous characters, apart from one lower case "i" and i've even tried substituting it for other similar characters just in case. 

 

After years of having cable internet, now that we've moved house this is my first time on ADSL, and i'm not loving it, to say the least. 

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13: Advanced Member

@xiga wrote:

from the info Voda sent me (in my earlier post above) i think i am on an ADSL connection, and not VDSL.


Vodafone no longer offer ADSL so you must be on VDSL.

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4: Newbie

Thanks

Any idea then why these settings won't work for me:

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For info, in the screenshots of my router settings above,  the tick box for Enable Vpn and Dhcp at the bottom is actually set to No. 

 

 

 

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4: Newbie

Thanks

Any idea then why these settings won't work for me:

20201118_145236.jpg

For info, in the screenshots of my router settings above,  the tick box for Enable Vpn and Dhcp at the bottom is actually set to No. 

 

 

 

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