Router kicking device off the network.

[TechnicalMarvel]

Ive been having an issue with a device on my network in that it would be booted off and when i attempt to reconnect it, its unable to see the wifi network.  having spoken to the manufacturer of the said device, they said that the router is blocking or pausing the device on the wifi network.  I'm not entirely sure where abouts in the router settings I can change this. 

I do have my own router which is a TP-Link VR2800 but I cant for the life of me get the damn thing to connect, and there are so many settings to configure.  Cant say im too impressed with the vodafone router, its sluggish whilst accessing the admin panel and seems to be very basic.  Even my old Sky router was better than this.  Maybe I should look at getting a Netgear Router and flog the TP-Link.

[Jayach]

I very much doubt you will find a Netgear any easier to get working than the TP-Link.

What is this device that is being "kicked off" ? I would very much treat the comments from the manufacturer with "a pinch of salt".

[TechnicalMarvel]

its a Ring Alarm base station.  They monitored it and was able to determine why it disconnected.  Theyve also had me connect it up via ethernet and its stayed connected fine that way/

[Jayach]

They will have trouble monitoring it if it's not connected.

I suspect the usual problem of it being 2.4Ghz only, and the router using channels 12 or 13.

Check to see what channel the router is using when it won't connect and if it's 12 or 13 go back to Ring and tell them they are selling devices that are not to UK/EU spec. Of course if the router is not using 12 or 13 at the time then it may be something else.

You can see the channel in use in the router under Status & Support.

[Cynric]

The spectrum operating frequency range is 2412 – 2484MHz. The OFCOM /ETSI standard for UK Operating channels are between Channel 1 - 13.

[Ripshod]

This is one thing kicking about in IT chatter. The ofcom standard for the 2.4 Ghz and 5GHz bands were originally brought in line with EU directives. Now we're free of that the scuttlebutt is that 2.4GHz could change in a non-specified way, whilst 5GHz could be expanded into those extra channels we're missing out on.

This is all up in the air right now and no official comment from Busby but don't be thinking things won't be changing.

My personal feeling is that while 6GHz is already available on a few isp router's with 320MHz channels that will soon get crowded also. It'd be great if we also get the extra 5GHz channels as well because there's a lot more space there. The whole lot together could double the usable space we have today - really good for those in densely populated areas.

Sorry. I wanted to make a small comment and it expanded somewhat. 

[Cynric]

.@Ripshod Only space if people or their "smart" routers stop leaving WiFi on the default channel. Last week a neighbour was on channel 6 (2.4GHz) but on the "wide" setting and trampling over all the channels 2 to 10. Which is why, when possible, my stuff is wired and not WiFi.

[Jayach]

@Ripshod 

But that would create even more "this device won't connect to that router" problems.

At the moment (for us) it's European spec Routers and USA spec devices. Imagine if you threw yet another "standard" into the mix.

[Ripshod]

The next 'logical' step would be smart power control, where the radios use just enough power to maintain a stable network. But router design is far from logical.

I have my router's radios turned down enough to maintain my network, 40MHz on the 2.4 (automatically selected) and 160MHz on the 5 (again automatic), yet I cause my neighbours no bother at all. One of my neighbours' router's is less than 9ft from mine through a wood floor. I could turn it back up and stomp all over them but I don't need to. I've made it publicly know that if anyone surrounding me has connection problems they should let me know.

Even on the low setting it's on now I can walk down to my local shop and still maintain a stable connection.

I think we need to suggest some kind of smart power control to manufacturers, or the press, if only to extend the lifetime of what we already have. 2.4 is here to stay for the foreseeable and that's where we have been seeing problems for years.

Sorry for derailing your thread @TechnicalMarvel I'm dropping this for now but I'm sure we'll be having a big discussion elsewhere 

[CrimsonLiar]

Many of the things discussed here are already if not in use, they're in the pipeline!  Since WiFi4 we've been using subchannels on both 2.4GHz and 5GHz.  With devices listening on a slimmer band than they transmit on it does help to reduce crosstalk.  The RP-AX56 mesh unit I use will drop its' transmit bandwidth to as low as 10MHz, and if the conditions are right will even turn off its 5HGz radio (way more impressed by that little unit than I ever expected to be).  For most of us, unless you are living in flats or very close to neighbours then the current bands are really good enough - *The UK government is considering releasing more 5GHz and 6GHz bandwidth for unlicensed consumer use - constantly changing things though is less than ideal!