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Replacing main vodafone router and Setting up a second router as an access point

richard_moore
4: Newbie

Hello guys

 

I had enough issues with Vodafon's router, which is not providing me wifi signal upstairs and outside of my house.

So i decided to get new routers, meaning i would like to replace the main one, and also to add a second one (why not a third one) to get better wifi signal all over the house.

 

I need help regarding this, as i don't know what routers are better, as i am using 2.4ghz also 5ghz for my wifi outdoor cameras, i don't want to spend a lot, so if cheaper ones available, i will be interested.

Also i will need to know the correct settings and the correct way to do them, one time for easy setup.

 

I've seen a lot of routers online with good specs that comes with 8pin ports all over. So the one that i need as the (main router) needs to have 4pin port and lets say 2-4 lan ports (8 pin ports), as what i understood the 4pin ports are ADSL, DSL or ADSL2 port. Can anyone clarify this?

 

Meaning i will get one of this routers with 4pin port as main, can i get the second router, the one with 8 pin port?

I don't know why, but the routers with 8pin ports are cheaper then the other ones.

Please let me know what's the suggestions and recommendations.

 

Curently i am with Vodafone on SuperFiber 2 and i have the following routers available:

Vodafone Smart Hub THG3000

Vodafone HHG2500

BT Smart Hub 6 - Type A

 

What routers i found:

1. TP-Link AC1200 (4 pin port for internet as main router)  £60

2. TP-Link AC1750 (8 pin port mainly used as access point)  £56

3. TP-Link AC2100 (4 pin port for internet as main router)  £85

 

Any better then this one for same price or less? And which combination to choose:

Nr 1 as main + BT or Vodafone as access point

Nr 2 as main + Nr 1 or BT or Vodafone as access point

Nr 3 as main + Nr 2 or  Nr 1 or BT or Vodafone as access point

Nr 2 as main + BT or Vodafone as access point

BT or Vodafone as main + any of them 1, 2 or 3 as access point?

 

What's the best combination?

 

Best Regards

 

 

 

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Jayach
16: Advanced member

Firstly you need to get your terminology right. Routers come in two types, those with adsl/vdsl modems built in and those without. Strictly those with modems should be called Combos or or DSL routers, but very few people ever do.

Those with modems will have an RJ11 port(6 pins) for the DSL cable and RJ45's(8pins) for the LAN.

Those without a modem will have RJ45's for the WAN(Wide area network i.e. the internet) and LAN's(Local area network)

Personally I find the WiFi on the THG3000 good enough for my requirements, although there are many on here who don't.

I don't mean to sound condescending but getting the terminology right will help in getting answers.

Hope someone can give you some good suggestions to improve your network.

 

 

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Correct and thank you for the experience with Vodafone's router.

While to keep this in mind, you want to say that i can leave vodafone as main, and add aditional TP-link one?

I understand what you mean, i am not into changing Main router aswell if i don't need to, i am just asking if that make sense to replace it with any of them TP-link ones, as my point of this post is to get a better Wifi coverage all arround the house adding 1 or 2 additional routers as access point.

 

With provided router from vodafone i don't which makes me getting a good connection just close to the router.

Any tip to choose between AC1750 and AC2100 as for the combination with VF or BT router as the main?

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Jayach
16: Advanced member

@richard_moore wrote:

Any tip to choose between AC1750 and AC2100 as for the combination with VF or BT router as the main?


You wouldn't be a able to use the BT as the main as it wouldn't work on a Vodafone line.

The AC1759 and AC2100 are combined wifi speeds offered by the routers, not their designation.

They are the Archer A7 and Archer VR600 V3 respectively if I understand you correctly.

Assuming the AC1750 is this device https://www.amazon.co.uk/Archer-A7-Wireless-Combined-Supports/dp/B00416PTDW/ then I think it would work well as an AP on the Vodafone router.

However the https://www.amazon.co.uk/TP-LINK-Archer-VR2100-Advanced-mu-mimo/dp/B06XW26XZ3 could replace your THG3000 and might be powerful enough to cover the whole house. (You would need to get your username and password from Vodafone if you go this route)

I can't actually recommend any of your choices as I haven't personally tried them so I've no idea how well they actually perform

 

 

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gipjon
15: Advanced member

don't know why you don't just use the vox3000 as the main router and run a LAN cable to somewhere else in the house and plug one of the routers you already have into the LAN cable and then set up the second router as a pickup point so then you will have 2x 2g and 2x 5g wifi 

follow the link for the setting 

https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Other-broadband-queries/Setting-up-a-second-vodafone-router-as-an-ac...

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Jayach
16: Advanced member

You could try what @gipjon suggests as you already have the routers.

@richard_moore wrote:

Curently i am with Vodafone on SuperFiber 2 and i have the following routers available:

Vodafone Smart Hub THG3000

Vodafone HHG2500

BT Smart Hub 6 - Type A


I would put the HHG2500 in the bin, connect a cable from a LAN port on the THG3000 to a LAN port on the BT Smart Hub. Turn off DHCP on the BT and see what happens. It may be necessary to set the BT base address so it doesn't clash with the Vodafone.

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Thank you, i will try that now.

I will also need your help with detailed steps of how to adjust the settings in the routers, as i don't wanna mess anything. 

 

I have attached one picture with my house, IPS socket and Router location, also coloured circles with current wifi signal strengh arround the house on ground floor.

 

Would you tell me aswell what's the best location to have the router?

Mine is curently sitting on a 30cm tall cabinet exactly as showed in the picture.

Also if i will need to move it further, what's the RJ11 cable lengh to be used in order to not loose performance and quality of internet? Can a longer cable be used, as an RJ11 high speed, twisted one?

 

In the attached picture:

Green:  Half to full wifi signal

Yellow:  Half to full wifi signal (but sometimes take more time to load)

Red:  Half to 1 line or no signal on wifi (Sometimes half signal, but cant load anything)

 

Picture:

THG3000 Wifi Signal Strengh 

gipjon
15: Advanced member

put the second router as near as possible to where you have no or little wifi 

you can get ethernet/lan cable in any length 

10 meter about £3 off ebay 

20 meter about £8

50 meter about £11 

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Great to hear this. I will try to do Vodafone as main + BT as access point and see how that works.

I have the option to test both AC1750 and AC2100 as will receive them today (i can return them, if all will work good with Vodafeon+BT).

Does the LAN cable needs to be CAT5e, CAT6, CAT7 ? High Speed, Quality?

Also for the RG11 cable, if i will want to move the router, can a longer cable like 10-15m one High Speed will be good? As my current one is a cheap flat 2m cable

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gipjon
15: Advanced member

or plan b just buy a wifi extender from Argos or curry amazon etc, for about £20  

 

Alan cable speed is 

 

Cat 5100 Mbps100 MHz
Cat 5e1,000 Mbps100 MHz
Cat 61,000 Mbps250 MHz
Cat 6a10,000 Mbps500 MHz
Cat 710,000 Mbps600 MHz
Cat 7a10,000 Mbps1,000 MHz
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Cynric
10: Established

You could also consider Powerline rather than dragging cable around (my house walls absorb Wi-Fi like you wouldn't believe).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-line_communication

 

I have had a good experience with Netgear Powerline devices, however other people have had problems and not been as fortunate as me. Note the following:

- The network will transmit over your domestic electricity circuit

- Pass through devices are available so you do not sacrifice a socket

- You can get devices that also extend Wi-Fi

- The signal cannot pass the electricity metre (i.e. the signal does not leak down the street)

- If your electricity cables are very old you may have problems

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Got arround 5 of them extenders, the socket ones, also the wifi extenders, and i can say that none of them was able to provide better wifi.  Well signal was better but was getting slow response from loading the pages, loading netflix on the upstairs TV etc. That's why i decided to try additional router as an access point hooked directlky via LAN cable.

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

I have power lines from previous BT, 2 white ones, 2 black ones (newer versions), also one wifi extender.

I can 100% tell you none of them provided a better experience.

 

I had powerlines connected, so i can provide a better signal and constant signal for my outdoor IP Poe camera, and it come up that using the powerline was making things worst then heaving the camera connected firectly via a 20m LAN cable.

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Cynric
10: Established

Oh well, I did say "however other people have had problems". I am sorry it didn't work in your situation because they have been a very useful alternative for me rather than trying to hide great lengths of Cat5e trailing from room to room.

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Thank you for the tip.

I have tried the powerlines in different situations like connecting an IP camera.

Wifi extenders worked worst for me, as basically i had no wifi in that location, so the Wifi extender was not getting good signal aswell from router in order to provide it further to me.

 

I haven't tried the powerlines with an acutal 2 router setup. As this will be the case here,

You think will work as good as a LAN connection between the routers?

Should be easier then running 20-30m LAN cables through the house/rooms etc.

 

I have this ones available:

BT Powerline Flex 500 Kit 

BT Mini Connector Kit - Twin Powerline 

Any of them good?

 

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Cynric
10: Established

I only know about the Netgear ones, I have four of the same model and that model is not current any more.

My hardware works like this (excuse the poor artwork).

External ISP -> THG3000 -> 2nd Router -> LAN (Wi-Fi, direct wired things, powerline)

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

So you want to say that:

 

IPS Supply > THG3000 > 2nd Router > 1st Powerline > 2nd Powerline > Whatever device you wanna use wired or wifi?    From router to router you've used powerline or Lan/wired?

The thing is that i would also want to try the devices i already have, so if all will work ok there will be no more extra items to be purchased, so costs almost to 0, as basically the powerlines was provided by the ISP supppliers for free, modem-routers aswell.

 

BT Home Hub6 is a good router to be used as the access point?

 

Thinking that AC1750 is £50 and AC2100 is £80, and BT is £0.

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Cynric
10: Established

THG3000 to 2nd Router is wired, they are just a matter of inches apart.

 

From 2nd Router to this PC where I am typing is;

2nd Router -> PL1 -> PL2 -> unmanaged switch -> this PC, another PC, Raspberry-Pi (all 3 wired to the switch).

 

If I wanted I have another router which could replace the switch, but it's an older one and only has 2.5GHz Wi-Fi so I am not using it. If powerlines are from different makes, then they might not work together although there is a HomePlug Alliance to harmonise the protocols. 

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richard_moore
4: Newbie

Let me start to tell you what are my devices in the house:

 

Downstairs:

Smart TV (wired and wifi)

Alexa (Wifi)

2nd TV (Non Smart but with Amazon fire Stick (Wifi)

2 Ip Wifi Cameras

 

Upstairs:

Smart TV (Wired and Wifi)

2nd TV non smart but with Amazon fire Stick (wifi)

2 Ip Wifi Cameras

PC (wired and wifi)

 

+ upstairs or downstairs devices:

2 smartphones

1 tablet

1 laptop

1 Audio system (Internet Radio Streaming) - wired

 

From all of this devices, only smartphones, laptop or tablet gives the best results on wifi and also while close to the router downstairs.

Fire stick on 2,4 or 5 ghz, lags a lot and poor wifi coverage, TV's aswell. Cameras working like 70% or their as not enough wifi signal.

 

That's why i need Main router downstairs probably moved in center of the house, then wired to 2nd router upstairs, and wired to probably 3rd router at the end of the house to provide wifi until end of my garage, and also for outdoor camera which is 2.4 and 5 ghz compatible.

 

All of this, are not working permanent, so from time to time and not all togethere.

The only ones connected to Wifi permanent but not streaming permanent are the IP Wifi cameras.

 

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Jayach
16: Advanced member

Reading through the comments, and ignoring the ones about extenders, there will only be one cable between the two router. It will be an RJ45. not RJ11, and a cat 5e is fine as long as it is less than 50 meters. Use cat6 if longer to keep it Gigabit capable.

No changes will need to be made to the main router (Vodafone). It is only the BT that will need to have DHCP turned off and maybe it's base address changed.

I don't know the BT router so you will need to google how to make the changes.

If you get it working and it doesn't give enough reach you could then try an extender to just get that extra bit.

Good Luck

 

Edit: I think eventually you (and just about everybody else) are going to realise the only way to get good WiFi all around the premises it to invest in a decent mesh system. Google it if you don't know what they are.

 

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