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GU25 - Virginia Water to TW18 - Staines, plus smaller blackspots at Richmond and Ascot.

mavdo
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1) Does the issue happen in just one location?

  Yes.  Multiple, but specific locations.  See below for two other blackspots.

If so, how far do you have to travel to regain service?

  2-4 miles.

 

2) What is the full postcode (e.g. ST1 1AA) of where the issue occurs? If you don't want this showing on the Community, add it to your profile

  It is a large area mainly between Virginia Water station (GU25 4AA) and Staines station (TW18 4LY)

 

3) Does the issue occur if you try your SIM card in a different phone?

 Yes.  I have two Vodafone phones and both suffer the same problem.  I have no issue elsewhere in the country, especially when in London.

 

4) What errors are seen or heard when the issue occurs?

 

 No data can be sent or received.  Calls drop.  "No Service" is seen for some of the area while the others are down to 1 bar of 3G.

 

5) Does this happen on 2G, 3G, 4G or all?

    There is no 4G in this area.  2G doesn't seem to be available any more.

 

6) When did you first notice this issue?

  Approximately March/April 2017. 

 

7) Is the issue permanent or intermittent? If intermittent, are there certain times of the day when it occurs?

  Permanent.  It occurs every day in both directions.

 

This issue is a problem along the Reading to Waterloo railway line since the spring where the signal between Virginia Water and Staines has collapsed to a point that it is no longer usable.  No data can be sent/received except for tiny pockets, and at times "No Service" is seen.  The signal starts to recover shortly before arrival into Feltham Station (after Staines).

 

I tried to report this twice today via online chat, but both times I was cut off and sent to the "review this chat" screen.  The agents did not understand what I was trying to report.  I don't think a phone call will help.  I'll just get more people who don't understand what I'm trying to report.

 

Two other long-term blackspots.

There have long been two other permanent and short distance blackspots on the line (for many years) in the following locations.  Should I report these separately?  In both cases calls will drop 100% of the time and you always hear people going "hello?  hello?" as the train passes through these points, but the distances in each case are small - just a few hundred yards or so.

--Between Martins Heron (RG12 9TZ) and Ascot (SL5 9EG).  No signal in between.  Signal recovers instantly shortly before arrival at either station.

--On approach to Richmond Station from the South (approx TW9 2NA).  Signal stops just after the bridge over the river and reappears on arrival into the station.

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Jenny
Moderator (Retired)
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@mavdo - I’ve checked the coverage at all of those locations - while you should get 2G, 3G and 4G, these are highly populated areas and busy routes.

When travelling, each site you pass has to hand your network connection over to the next one. This process isn’t always fault free and can cause you to sometimes lose connection until the network can detect your location again. Train journeys especially can cause this due to the speed and distance you’re travelling.

I’ve checked the serving sites at the postcodes provided and there are currently no faults.

This looks to be due to the general network along those routes and not a network fault. You may find that changing your settings to 2G only will help as your phone will only try to connect to 2G, making it quicker to connect and handover.

Hi Jenny,

 

Thank you for your post.  I do understand the technology involved.  I work in the industry, so you can talk technical rather than using more simplified terminology.

 

I mainly use data when I am travelling on the train, and have no problems on any other part of the route, despite the "speed" of this line, which is particularly slow in parts as it stops so often.  But it is only recently when I have noticed no data at all in this area, and also no phone reception either.  Virginia Water station has long been a bit of a problem area, and I accept you'll get that particularly as you travel, but that has now extended over the next 4 miles.  To me this smacks of either recduced network capacity, or base-stations "breathing" more regularly (reducing their power and therefore coverage) due to high loads.  Managing this is a network responsibility because without doing this, you won't provide a usable network.  But I know you know this.

 

Switching to 2G is not a solution because you cannot get data at all on 2G any more.  I've tried many times when I have 2G or E signal, but no matter what application I'm using or what type of data I'm downloading, every application will just time out when connected to 2G, including browsing simple web-pages such as BBC news.  Edge (ie 2G+) occassionally obliges with a web-page, but rarely.  In fact, when I phoned up your customer services once, I mentioned that I couldn't get data any more on Edge, and was told "yeah, you won't any more" as if this was well known.

 

However, when you are on the move, 2G/2G+ is always pointless because there is no time to receive data from one base station before you have to switch to another and possibly restart the http call.  2G is therefore not a solution that would work for anyone for data while fixing calling to 2G limits how much network you can use and increasing the chances of you being cut off.

 

There is no 4G reception in this area.  Whatever your coverage checker shows, what actually matters is whether a phone can connect to 4G in this area, and mine has never been able to do this.  I think the first 4G mast I connect to after this is probably somewhere between Feltham and Twickenham.  Of course there is no 4G/VoIP calling yet on Voda.

 

I will admit that happily today, the reception was actually mildly improved in this area.  There were still two or three relative data blackspots (ie 1 bar of 3G or less, and no data sent/received) - one at Virginia Water station whilst stopped at the platform, and one either side of Egham station, each would be at most 0.3miles.  The train was traveling at about 30mph or less in these areas due to line speed restrictions and stopping at stations. 

 

I accept that a busy network could cause problems, but it is up to Vodafone to manage long-term changes in demand.  If a particular base station has increased usage such that it is often at capacity and has to "breath" by reducing power, you need to look to increase capacity in the area.  As I know the industry reasonably well in this regard, I knew it was important to wait several weeks before raising this concern because I didn't want to raise it if the network was a bit busy for a few days or you were already dealing with it being over capacity.

 

However, over the last few weeks I have noticed that "No Service" is appearing frequently on this part of the journey.  This means that there is zero 2G, 3G or 4G service, not that the network is just busy, or I'm travelling too quickly.  Indeed, this is actually one of the slowest bits of the whole line.

 

Thank you for checking the base-stations in the area.  That is probably all that can be done for now.  But if the "No Service" continues when it has never existed before, the only remaining solution for me would be to change to a network that offers service where I wish to use my phone, right?  I believe that roads and railway lines are probably the most important places to provide high capacity base-stations, and your explanation suggests this is not the case in this area (but I have no such problems around Twickenham or Clapham for example, where there are many more people around, or Winnersh or Ascot where conditions are similar).

 

On the subject of the blackspots at Richmond and Martins Heron, these are 100% guaranteed.  If the train stops in those areas, as it has done, the reception does not return.  There is simply no reception.  They are dead spots on your network not shown clearly by the coverage checker.  I don't suspect this is a fault of the base-station itself, more that the base-stations may not be able to cover these areas (I think they may both be fairly close to base stations, so this seems surprising, but perhaps explained by the rather speedy recovery in both locations).  Yet the blackspot and assocaited call drop is 100% guaranteed in both locations.  For data, it is easy enough and quick enough to wait, and applications with buffering get through fine, but you cannot make a call (which means that I cannot hit my doctor's 8am opening time to grab an appointment, for example, as I cannot remain on hold to my place in the queue as I pass through Richmond at almost exactly this time).  As your recent advert that showed someone staying on hold to reserve tickets for his daughter for the whole day, this suggests blackspots and unreliable areas should be becoming less common, so I thought it only right I raise this.

A quick update - today the reception was much improved in this area, and even on approach to Richmond where there was no complete disconnection and only a brief pause in data.  I even received 4G briefly at Egham station.  If anything has been done because of my post, thank you.

Tash
Moderator (Retired)
Moderator (Retired)

Thanks for updating us @mavdo.

If you experience any further network issues in the future, please let us know.