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Sure Signal 3 problems - BT Business Hub 5. Lights: flashing, off, orange, orange

sidupac
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Bought a Sure Signal 3 for the office. Got it to work but then changed to BT Fibre Optic, got given a new router, and now it won't connect.

It works at my house but not in the office. Yes I’ve already tried it in another location and it is fine so the problem must be with the settings here. The router at home is a BT Home Hub 5 and the router at work is the BT Business Hub 5.

I had to forward ports at home to get it to work, but forwarding the ports at the office doesn't solve the issue. The settings are the same on both devices. I can’t see what the difference is.

 

Lights are Flashing power light, second light is off, and third and fourth light are orange.

IP is 217.xx.xx.xxx (static)   [update - blanked for security reasons]


I have fibre optic at home and at the office, so I don't think connection speed is the issue.

I've factory reset half a dozen times (both the router at the office and the sure signal) but that’s made this whole thing take about 3 weeks.. trying different settings… waiting for it to connect or not… now it’s beyond the 2 weeks to return it… I thought this was meant to be 'plug and play' but this is really turning into a joke. I'm wasting a lot of my time over something that doesn't really make much sense.

 

Forwarding ports 8, 50, 53, 67-68, 123, 500, 1723, 4500, 33434-33445
(on both routers)
Port clamping is on for both routers.

At the office:
All firewalls were turned off for a while and it made no difference.
UPNP disabled / enabled… makes no difference.
Putting it in a DMZ made no difference.

I waited about 18 hours each time I made a change.

All settings on the office router were returned to the same as my home router (which it works with) and it still won’t work.

Port forwarding is working on the router because we have a server running on port 80 which can be used from outside the office successfully. The sure signal is showing up in the client and DHCP list and the ports are being forwarded to the correct internal ip for the sure signal…

I’ve tried a different cable, and a different location in the office, plugging it in direct to the router, and that all doesn’t help. Obviously, because it works at home, but I know you'd probably ask me to try that.

Speed test at the office: Ping 19ms, download 20.31 mbps, upload 1.22 mbps
Ping test: 38ms, jitter 10ms
Sure signal serial number: 43151500196
Here is the tracert output from the office:

Tracing route to 212.183.133.177 over a maximum of 30 hops

 

  1     1 ms     1 ms     1 ms  BTHUB5 [10.71.25.1]

  2    19 ms    60 ms    34 ms  host81-148-32-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.148.32.1]

  3    45 ms    78 ms    79 ms  213.120.178.141

  4    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  213.120.177.98

  5    80 ms    20 ms    19 ms  217.41.168.85

  6    20 ms    62 ms    26 ms  217.41.168.107

  7    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  acc1-te0-0-0-21.l-far.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.249.94]

  8    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  core4-te0-9-0-19.faraday.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.249.15]

  9    19 ms    19 ms    19 ms  peer1-et-9-1-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [213.121.193.165]

 10    21 ms    23 ms    22 ms  lndgw2.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.124]

 11    22 ms    21 ms    20 ms  85.205.0.93

 12     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 13     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 14     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 15     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 16     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 17     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 18     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 19     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 20     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 21     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 22     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 23     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 24     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 25     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 26     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 27     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 28     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 29     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 30     *        *        *     Request timed out.

 

Trace complete.

 

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sidupac
2: Seeker
2: Seeker

Ok after reading more about the BT Business Hub 5 it sounds like the BT Business Hub 5 is simply incompatible with the Sure Signal. This makes no sense at all but does explain why nothing - and absolutely nothing - has worked.

I'll use the router from before and report back

Update so far; the router from before doesn't have an inbuilt modem so it won't work with the BT infinity. Will need to find an alternative solution. Will report back once I finally solve it.. or if I bin the sure signal and join EE instead.

Ok I bought a new router, Billion BiPac 8800AXL, as per suggestions from other users that it is simply 'plug and play' with the Sure Signal.

I'd got it to work with the 2 sure signals we have here, but unfortunately it kept cutting out 3 or 4 times a day. It is getting returned and we will buy another one. I will continue to keep posting updates when appropriate.

Oh by the way, I spoke with BT and they confirmed that there is a known fault with using a VPN with the Business Hub 5 in combination with an Infinity Fibre connection and a Fixed IP Address. (what any typical business needs to run an efficient web server or sbs server with remote access)

BT admit that port forwarding is an issue in this scenario for VPN (ports 1723 and 47) and I would assume that this is the reason why the Sure Signal doesn't work either, since they probably use similar concepts and create a tunnel connection. I was told I would be called back by BT so they could open a "special case" but alas I never heard from them. Maybe this is a configuration issue at some fibre exchanges (which would explain even further why some people have this issue and others don't) but since I seem to get different answers from the people at BT I won't be bothering to chase them for a resolution.
I spoke to several people at BT and it had been said that the Sure Signal just "didn't work" for some people. As an IT Professional I refused to accept that nonsense as a final answer.. 

The reason the sure signal works for some and not others is likely to be because of the known issue as stated above. Which is probably a software fault in the Hub 5 (because it works fine on other routers). Seems a bit bizarre if you ask me. In fact it frustrates me that BT try to force you to use their dodgy china made routers in the first place.

If Vodafone made it possible for people to access the sure signal and edit settings manually then the problem could also be resolved a lot quicker (e.g. adjust which ports it tries to use, manually request an update from Vodafone so you don't have to call them, diagnose connections by viewing the sure signal logs, remotely access and reset the router so it could be managed remotely by IT managers.. I mean they charge an absolute bomb for the Sure Signal v3 and I can't see where the extra engineering from the last versions went apart from the physical appearance?)

In fact the whole technique that the sure signal uses to boost signal seems a bit flawed. Doesn't using 3G on your phone via a sure signal mean you pay for 3G as well as the broadband that it gets boosted from? I don't know, I've never tried as I'm doing this all for a client.

To wrap this up, I got a Billion 8800NL in the end. Found it very difficult to get the AXL model...  It works and is plug and play for the Sure Signal in a business network with BT fibre.