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FTTP/Cityfibre. Traffic shaping suspected. Poor download speeds during evenings. MUCH better on VPN

Martynux
3: Seeker
3: Seeker

Dear Vodafone,

 

It is time you admit that you are applying traffic shaping on your internet connection during the evenings.

I have always wondered why some traffic goes through better than other in the evenings.

I have done extensive testing in the past few days and I have come across to the below findings:

Internet connection speeds drop down to miserable 2-3 megabits download during the evenings / peak time. Upload though goes well and I'd say it is intact.

So I have done some testing. I have connected to different VPN providers to the servers nearby in the UK as well as abroad as far as Iceland and Lithuania.

And guess what - Over the VPN I get 200+ mbps results, immediately as I drop out from VPN and do the test on a clean line I again get those miserable few megabits.

Now if you are technical enough you must understand the irony here.

Going through VPN channel always should give you lower speeds as extra hops and conditions involved in the traffic/equipment. However when on VPN, speed test results are always better. Always, not sometimes, but always. And considerably much better than having connection without being wrapped up in VPN.

This indicates only one thing - QOS/Traffic shaping is in place with Vodafone during peak times.

Tell me, Vodafone, please, why when I am paying for 900mbps I am getting the service of a few megabits during peak times? And please, keep that rubbish to yourself when you start stating - oh it is probably your router, your Wi-Fi and so on. No it is not! I know it is not. I am getting exactly the same results on wired connection using Vodafone or any other router. To be precise your router is a piece of junk that is good for grandmas who watch BBC iPlayer and send three WhatsApp messages a day. I am and advanced user, a technician in fact, with 20+ years of IT support under my belt. 

It is not my router to blame, not my corporate grade wireless access point, not even cheap Vodafone router to blame, it is the policies that Vodafone has set on the back end to shape the traffic during busiest periods.

And it is not fair. I am paying for 900mbps service, yet during evenings I get 300 times slower speeds than I am paying for. Even daytime I rarely reach anything more than 500mbps, it doesn't really bother me that much as I consider speeds above 100mbps acceptable and I simply have no patience to call your India-based call centres and speak to so called "experts" who read from the script, have little to no actual knowledge, and won't deviate from script that they read from the knowledge-base and give a pre-defined answers from templates.

 

Explain this please, how is this fair, and how is this a good value for money that I am paying? I am actually considering leaving Vodafone, at least when I had broadband over copper line I was getting consistent speeds 24/7. Heck, even with 3 mobile 4G connection I had better speeds than with you guys! 

I see no reason why I should be utilising VPN in order to increase my internet browsing experience. It is an extra expense as well as extra burden that I have to go through in order to reach acceptable connection speeds.

 

Three days ago, in the evening I was trying to download 5 gigabyte Windows 10 ISO file from Microsoft, I was getting estimated time of download of 7 hours over 900mbps FTTP line. Makes sense? - Thought so, it does not make sense to me either.

 

Feel free to reach out to me for troubleshooting if you are brave enough to deal with me, I promise you, I won't go easy on you, but I promise to be reasonable and respectful. However I won't take your nonsense and won't accept that it is something to do with my equipment, because I know it is not the equipment.. It is not, and I know, period!

I have done plenty of testing internally, I have tested my independent wireless AP throughput over local network and I have amazing results as long as Vodafone is not in the picture. Anything routed through Vodafone internet link is rubbish unless I wrap that device that is reaching out to the internet to VPN. 

I really don't enjoy having to jump through the hoops just to have something that should be provided to me already because it is a contractual obligation. I expect the service to be delivered as per contract, not some lame excuses from cheap labour agent somewhere in India who has no idea what he is talking about.

 

So to sum this up:

 

From 18:00 onwards to around 22-24h connection speeds drop dramatically to miserable few megabits, sometimes if lucky 30-40mbps, never goes above 100. 

No difference if Vodafone or other independent router / access point used, connection still rubbish.

When on VPN, then connection is much better - going to 200-300mbps speeds.

Outside those hours connection speeds are much better, good enough not to complain about. 

I work from home supporting different timezones and working during evenings is a challenge due to this issue. I certainly have an impact on my work performance due to this.

 

My equipment/plan:

 

Cityfibre FTTP 900mbps.

Draytek Vigor 2925 router

Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-nanoHD.

Location: Aberdeen

 

To add a cherry on top of this cake: it is not only me that is having this issue here in Aberdeen. There are 3 more of us (and I can provide their details on request) who are subscribed to Cityfibre/Vodafone FTTP service and we all are having exactly the same issue during evenings. We all live in different areas of the city, so the problem is city-wide, not only to specific area within the city. 

Please get this sorted rather than ignore or give silly answers claiming it is our equipment. It is not. I know it, and you know it too. Time to call things as they are. 

 

Best regards,

 

Marty

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Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

Sorry, that's to use the asus router. Asus router's also have a built-in speedtest whereas the vodafone doesn't. 

P1x3l8
4: Newbie

Still to try the Asus but called Vodafone earlier as was having more issues - This what happened:

Current (router) firmware version 22.1.0336-6261008

XXXXXX: Thank you so much for your patience , I have checked the line and I can see that the main WI-FI channels are outdated and also the router's firmware is outdated .
XXXXXX: From your end , you'd need to perform a hard reset on the router pleas and also you'd need to change the Ethernet cable that's coming from the fiber box to the router

Post hard reset.. Voila - Current (router) firmware version 22.1.0336-6261008 and no change!!! Like dealing with VM all over again!!!

P1x3l8
4: Newbie

I received the third party router details...Are there instructions on how to set up the Ultra Hub and the Asus? 

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

Remove the hub altogether. Plug an ethernet cable from the ONT into the asus' wan. Let the asus boot for the first time,then reset it - again the recessed button at the back for 10 seconds. Once it's booted up login to 192.168.1.1 and go through the initial setup

Your PPPoE username needs to be entered in the format dslXXXXXXXXX@broadband.vodafone.co.uk

Let us know how you get on. 

Thanks - I also have the (voip) phone plugged into the Ultrahub and the 5g back up...what happens with them?

For ref: - Trying to watch a basic Youtube video and it's buffering - what the heck?!!!!

New BQM started: 

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/74ef027f643df7218766c922dcb86222717ea631

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

We want to rule out a fault with the vodafone router so we substitute with the asus. Once we have what we need the vodafone router can go back.

 

Hi and thanks for your continued support :Winking_smiley:

So I set up the Asus and t here is a significant difference. The Asus router - PC connected via Ethernet only - shows consistent speeds from around 7-800Mbps up and down using the routers internal Ookla speedtest...ping and jitter is very low too. By comparison, the Vodafone router although down speeds improved slightly post reboots etc it is still below par overall. I am still getting some buffering (slight) on the Firestick (ethernet) and as usual, various speedtests give various results:

Ookla (router)  21:26   776.44   722.69   9.11   0.47 

FAST dot com  21;44   510         450        8        -----

Ookla Website 21;47   223         678        16    ........

ThinkBB HTTP 21;51   359         60           20   ........

So where do we go from here? 

 

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

Being a true test of your service without interference from anything else (wifi, cables etc) the router's speed test would be the most reliable. And it's not too shabby. The only thing we can confirm right now is a slightly high latency.

If you still have the asus connected see how streaming goes. I think at the end of this the best results you're likely to get would be to use the vodafone router up front with it's wifi off, and the asus connected as an Access Point. 

Yeah I've left the Asus in situ for the moment.

One thing though - Even although the Asus is more stable with on ethernet, I should still use the UltraHub as primary for ethernet and the Asus solely for wifi... As the Ultrahub appears to be the issue (unstable lower speeds), wouldn't that have a knock on effect on the Asus for wifi...I'm confused?
My new(est) BQM: https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/3c19904a9b914d8247e07f2e9444da2756...

I forgot to ask - I don't need Wifi 6 so is there any point to me actually having the Ultra Hub over the normal hub?

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

To add:

Even if the vodafone's wifi is of a more recent standard we'll likely find that the asus' will still outperform it.