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01-11-2022 09:33 PM
Dear Vodafone,
It is time you admit that you are applying traffic shaping on your internet connection during the evenings.
I have always wondered why some traffic goes through better than other in the evenings.
I have done extensive testing in the past few days and I have come across to the below findings:
Internet connection speeds drop down to miserable 2-3 megabits download during the evenings / peak time. Upload though goes well and I'd say it is intact.
So I have done some testing. I have connected to different VPN providers to the servers nearby in the UK as well as abroad as far as Iceland and Lithuania.
And guess what - Over the VPN I get 200+ mbps results, immediately as I drop out from VPN and do the test on a clean line I again get those miserable few megabits.
Now if you are technical enough you must understand the irony here.
Going through VPN channel always should give you lower speeds as extra hops and conditions involved in the traffic/equipment. However when on VPN, speed test results are always better. Always, not sometimes, but always. And considerably much better than having connection without being wrapped up in VPN.
This indicates only one thing - QOS/Traffic shaping is in place with Vodafone during peak times.
Tell me, Vodafone, please, why when I am paying for 900mbps I am getting the service of a few megabits during peak times? And please, keep that rubbish to yourself when you start stating - oh it is probably your router, your Wi-Fi and so on. No it is not! I know it is not. I am getting exactly the same results on wired connection using Vodafone or any other router. To be precise your router is a piece of junk that is good for grandmas who watch BBC iPlayer and send three WhatsApp messages a day. I am and advanced user, a technician in fact, with 20+ years of IT support under my belt.
It is not my router to blame, not my corporate grade wireless access point, not even cheap Vodafone router to blame, it is the policies that Vodafone has set on the back end to shape the traffic during busiest periods.
And it is not fair. I am paying for 900mbps service, yet during evenings I get 300 times slower speeds than I am paying for. Even daytime I rarely reach anything more than 500mbps, it doesn't really bother me that much as I consider speeds above 100mbps acceptable and I simply have no patience to call your India-based call centres and speak to so called "experts" who read from the script, have little to no actual knowledge, and won't deviate from script that they read from the knowledge-base and give a pre-defined answers from templates.
Explain this please, how is this fair, and how is this a good value for money that I am paying? I am actually considering leaving Vodafone, at least when I had broadband over copper line I was getting consistent speeds 24/7. Heck, even with 3 mobile 4G connection I had better speeds than with you guys!
I see no reason why I should be utilising VPN in order to increase my internet browsing experience. It is an extra expense as well as extra burden that I have to go through in order to reach acceptable connection speeds.
Three days ago, in the evening I was trying to download 5 gigabyte Windows 10 ISO file from Microsoft, I was getting estimated time of download of 7 hours over 900mbps FTTP line. Makes sense? - Thought so, it does not make sense to me either.
Feel free to reach out to me for troubleshooting if you are brave enough to deal with me, I promise you, I won't go easy on you, but I promise to be reasonable and respectful. However I won't take your nonsense and won't accept that it is something to do with my equipment, because I know it is not the equipment.. It is not, and I know, period!
I have done plenty of testing internally, I have tested my independent wireless AP throughput over local network and I have amazing results as long as Vodafone is not in the picture. Anything routed through Vodafone internet link is rubbish unless I wrap that device that is reaching out to the internet to VPN.
I really don't enjoy having to jump through the hoops just to have something that should be provided to me already because it is a contractual obligation. I expect the service to be delivered as per contract, not some lame excuses from cheap labour agent somewhere in India who has no idea what he is talking about.
So to sum this up:
From 18:00 onwards to around 22-24h connection speeds drop dramatically to miserable few megabits, sometimes if lucky 30-40mbps, never goes above 100.
No difference if Vodafone or other independent router / access point used, connection still rubbish.
When on VPN, then connection is much better - going to 200-300mbps speeds.
Outside those hours connection speeds are much better, good enough not to complain about.
I work from home supporting different timezones and working during evenings is a challenge due to this issue. I certainly have an impact on my work performance due to this.
My equipment/plan:
Cityfibre FTTP 900mbps.
Draytek Vigor 2925 router
Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-nanoHD.
Location: Aberdeen
To add a cherry on top of this cake: it is not only me that is having this issue here in Aberdeen. There are 3 more of us (and I can provide their details on request) who are subscribed to Cityfibre/Vodafone FTTP service and we all are having exactly the same issue during evenings. We all live in different areas of the city, so the problem is city-wide, not only to specific area within the city.
Please get this sorted rather than ignore or give silly answers claiming it is our equipment. It is not. I know it, and you know it too. Time to call things as they are.
Best regards,
Marty
31-10-2023 12:39 AM
Signal was cut to Asus ? so had to start a new BQM:
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/86d953fa1c50c8dd30abb7639f80b671da933b48
31-10-2023 01:12 AM
;( Signal to Asus cut again so back using the Ultra Hub!!!
https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/45f4d95cc4479c247f0c87c0b8ff31bc0c2086dc
31-10-2023 06:54 AM
As you've already seen the vodafone router is actually better at holding an fttp connection.
Whilst you may have no need for the ultra hub's newer wifi, even wifi 5 or wifi 4 devices would get a better connection - it's not just about headline performance, there's improvements everywhere. You'd have to test each router and see which is best for your situation.
31-10-2023 08:57 AM
Just looking at the odd Asus BQM. Could the router software be thinking that the pings from ThinkBroadband are an attack?
31-10-2023 01:14 PM
I can't even see the latest BQM.
The oddness is probably related to a dynamic IP and disconnects/reboots.
31-10-2023 03:40 PM
Thanks for your replies above
So fully back to using the Ultra hub with BQM below - The inital spikes are my speedtests. Why are the results so different even although theyre all Manchester server - Also, is the Ookla app more accurate than the Ookla website test as they are always very different? Final question - Why does the Asus router lose the fibre signal so regularly but the speeds are so much better?
Here are my speeds from earlier today:
FAST Down 670 latency 9 loaded 35 Upload 430
FAST Down 750 latency 9 loaded 22 Upload 500
FAST Down 710 latency 9 loaded 25 Upload 660
TBB Down 265 latency 20 loaded -- Upload 58
TBB Down 360 latency 19 loaded -- Upload 60
TBB Down 265 latency 20 loaded -- Upload 58
Ookla Down 946 latency 8 loaded -- Upload 934
Ookla Down 939 latency 8 loaded -- Upload 941
Ookla Down 942 latency 8 loaded -- Upload 940
Latest VodaBQM: https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/ca96d14e2df8f9277c90b8db51ccad94d9...
31-10-2023 03:52 PM - edited 31-10-2023 03:53 PM
Ookla speed tests have always been the most reliable indicator of your connection speed to the network (your contracted speed). The others include your transfer to the internet spine and back and so indicate your speed through all the interconnections.
Your headline speed is looking good, as is your Latency (remember the BQM looks at the connection from the TBB servers to your router).
"Why does the Asus router lose the fibre signal so regularly but the speeds are so much better?" I've no direct answer to that question. It is an older router, so may be suffering from aged circuit components or a weak psu. My RT-AX88U is much younger and givers me great results so it's not an Asus thing.
31-10-2023 06:07 PM - edited 31-10-2023 06:08 PM
Thanks... so the Ookla app on PC is better than using the Ookla website as it's more direct route to the router?
Also wondering if it would be beneficial buying an upgrade to the Asus I have...your one is around £170ish - Do you think it would be worth it? Thing is i'm trying not to get hung up on the "numbers" but I'm supposed to be getting 900Mbps and every test is far less?
31-10-2023 06:13 PM
Though my 88u is fairly new the model itself is pretty old, so getting something much newer would make more sense. £170 seems quite a lot to me tbh.
Speed testing over http(s) adds some overheads, so it's understandable the Ookla app would be faster than a browser. That's just an assumption, I have no idea how the Ookla API works.
31-10-2023 07:07 PM - edited 31-10-2023 07:09 PM
Was considering the Asus RT AX86S (released 2020) It has fewer bells and whistles than the "U" version but ones I wont use/will never need. I was watching some vids on the PC earlier and found that it was struggling to deal with 1080p presentations (I have a 4k graphics card/1080p screen) and thought that was strange - Never had that issue before so "assuming" it's the Ultrahub causing that?