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FTTP/Cityfibre. Traffic shaping suspected. Poor download speeds during evenings. MUCH better on VPN

Martynux
3: Seeker
3: Seeker

Dear Vodafone,

 

It is time you admit that you are applying traffic shaping on your internet connection during the evenings.

I have always wondered why some traffic goes through better than other in the evenings.

I have done extensive testing in the past few days and I have come across to the below findings:

Internet connection speeds drop down to miserable 2-3 megabits download during the evenings / peak time. Upload though goes well and I'd say it is intact.

So I have done some testing. I have connected to different VPN providers to the servers nearby in the UK as well as abroad as far as Iceland and Lithuania.

And guess what - Over the VPN I get 200+ mbps results, immediately as I drop out from VPN and do the test on a clean line I again get those miserable few megabits.

Now if you are technical enough you must understand the irony here.

Going through VPN channel always should give you lower speeds as extra hops and conditions involved in the traffic/equipment. However when on VPN, speed test results are always better. Always, not sometimes, but always. And considerably much better than having connection without being wrapped up in VPN.

This indicates only one thing - QOS/Traffic shaping is in place with Vodafone during peak times.

Tell me, Vodafone, please, why when I am paying for 900mbps I am getting the service of a few megabits during peak times? And please, keep that rubbish to yourself when you start stating - oh it is probably your router, your Wi-Fi and so on. No it is not! I know it is not. I am getting exactly the same results on wired connection using Vodafone or any other router. To be precise your router is a piece of junk that is good for grandmas who watch BBC iPlayer and send three WhatsApp messages a day. I am and advanced user, a technician in fact, with 20+ years of IT support under my belt. 

It is not my router to blame, not my corporate grade wireless access point, not even cheap Vodafone router to blame, it is the policies that Vodafone has set on the back end to shape the traffic during busiest periods.

And it is not fair. I am paying for 900mbps service, yet during evenings I get 300 times slower speeds than I am paying for. Even daytime I rarely reach anything more than 500mbps, it doesn't really bother me that much as I consider speeds above 100mbps acceptable and I simply have no patience to call your India-based call centres and speak to so called "experts" who read from the script, have little to no actual knowledge, and won't deviate from script that they read from the knowledge-base and give a pre-defined answers from templates.

 

Explain this please, how is this fair, and how is this a good value for money that I am paying? I am actually considering leaving Vodafone, at least when I had broadband over copper line I was getting consistent speeds 24/7. Heck, even with 3 mobile 4G connection I had better speeds than with you guys! 

I see no reason why I should be utilising VPN in order to increase my internet browsing experience. It is an extra expense as well as extra burden that I have to go through in order to reach acceptable connection speeds.

 

Three days ago, in the evening I was trying to download 5 gigabyte Windows 10 ISO file from Microsoft, I was getting estimated time of download of 7 hours over 900mbps FTTP line. Makes sense? - Thought so, it does not make sense to me either.

 

Feel free to reach out to me for troubleshooting if you are brave enough to deal with me, I promise you, I won't go easy on you, but I promise to be reasonable and respectful. However I won't take your nonsense and won't accept that it is something to do with my equipment, because I know it is not the equipment.. It is not, and I know, period!

I have done plenty of testing internally, I have tested my independent wireless AP throughput over local network and I have amazing results as long as Vodafone is not in the picture. Anything routed through Vodafone internet link is rubbish unless I wrap that device that is reaching out to the internet to VPN. 

I really don't enjoy having to jump through the hoops just to have something that should be provided to me already because it is a contractual obligation. I expect the service to be delivered as per contract, not some lame excuses from cheap labour agent somewhere in India who has no idea what he is talking about.

 

So to sum this up:

 

From 18:00 onwards to around 22-24h connection speeds drop dramatically to miserable few megabits, sometimes if lucky 30-40mbps, never goes above 100. 

No difference if Vodafone or other independent router / access point used, connection still rubbish.

When on VPN, then connection is much better - going to 200-300mbps speeds.

Outside those hours connection speeds are much better, good enough not to complain about. 

I work from home supporting different timezones and working during evenings is a challenge due to this issue. I certainly have an impact on my work performance due to this.

 

My equipment/plan:

 

Cityfibre FTTP 900mbps.

Draytek Vigor 2925 router

Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-nanoHD.

Location: Aberdeen

 

To add a cherry on top of this cake: it is not only me that is having this issue here in Aberdeen. There are 3 more of us (and I can provide their details on request) who are subscribed to Cityfibre/Vodafone FTTP service and we all are having exactly the same issue during evenings. We all live in different areas of the city, so the problem is city-wide, not only to specific area within the city. 

Please get this sorted rather than ignore or give silly answers claiming it is our equipment. It is not. I know it, and you know it too. Time to call things as they are. 

 

Best regards,

 

Marty

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Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

It is strange, definitely far from the norm. I have learned over time that not everyone will have the same experience from the same equipment. The RT-AX86 range have pretty decent radios but not having tested one on Cityfibre I can't say how one would perform in your situation. I'm not surprised some will have problems, but that is more often down to their settings/situation. While I will often suggest Asus, Netgear and TP-Link I try not to recommend a particular model unless given a choice. I like my 88U but these days I won't recommend one.

 

So if my router does the job and retains the connection, how do i go about setting up the voip phone? Also I have read about 20 pages on the voip with own router thread and remain clueless!!! The other thing i was thinking about is if i keep the Vodafone router first and connect the Asus second, will i lose the functionality of the Asus?

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

It's totally doable while retaining the asus' functionality ,though a little long-winded. It involves DMZ, fixed IP and DHCP. I haven't had my caffeine yet and still have a shift to do, but if you need guidance to do that I can help out later today 👍

Hi… thanks so much. Having read some of the thread it was obvious it was a tad beyond my paygrade!!!

The router arrived late afternoon so likely wont be setting it up until later tonight and ill leave it overnight to check for drop outs. 

Hi... :Winking_smiley:

So Asus RT-AX86(S) set up and running. Presently it's just plugged into the UltraHub LAN port and I haven't changed any settings - just ran through the app set up. It's putting out it's own network and is significantly better - wifi speeds up and ping lowered. It has some difficulty reaching the back of the house but that's fixable. I have about half my devices connected to the Asus and the rest still with the Ultra Hub. Overall, there's been little issue with the Firestick or 4 hours PS4 gaming and the phone is working fine.

So regards the phone and the UltraHub - I would like to ditch the UltraHub as tbh it's huge and horrid and I'm now wondering if i even need that hub (Vodafoner has a smaller one yeah?)

So three questions:  Given my comments above, is that likely to change/worse/better if we go down the Asus phone set up route? Will the 4G back up work with the Asus or does that require a special set up as well? And a general query regards wifi, Is it ok to have two wifi signals running at same time as presently, half my devices are on the Asus network and the rest as said are on the Ultra Hub network?  

Many thanks again :Winking_smiley:

 

   

P1x3l8
4: Newbie

Bump... :Winking_smiley:

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

I'll not pretend that using a third party ATA for the digital voice service is easy, because it isn't. But that's the only way to get rid of the vodafone router and retain the telephone service.

Another option would be to use the asus as an access point and connect everything to that, whilst disabling the WiFi on the vodafone router.

It's a case of try it, see if it works for you and your environment. 

Hi and thanks for your reply... :Winking_smiley:

Been looking at the ATA stuff - maybe bit techy for me and costs extra ?as you need another adapter?

Regards the Access Point set up - Have I alraedy got that set up or is that different - Should I just kill the Ultra Hub wifi or is there more to it? Also, with the access point set up can I still retain the booster function? I was thinking I could "hide the UltraHub" and just have the Asus on the shelf maybe?

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

I'm not sure how, or even if, a booster would fit into an AP setup. Are you sure you actually need the booster? If the booster is actually necessary to cover the back of your house that would still leave 2 wifi networks. What I'm wondering now is if the asus AP could be set up more centrally in your home in such a way you can avoid using the booster(?). Also it's not just about placement of the AP, reorienting it's antennas can also affect coverage. 

Hi... Due  to the apparent technical installation "difficulties", the Ultra Hub resides in the very corner of the lounge against the outside/window wall and subsequently, that's where the Asus is now. My VM Hub 5 is in the opposite room (always been there) so the Asus could be moved to there - Not quite central but in th middle sort of facing all the rooms. My house is basically a recctangle with 3 rooms, kitchen and toilet and a hall. The hall isn't suitable for the router unfortunately. 

I would be happy to leave the two networks as a last resort as long as they don't "fight" with each other as I've a security camera out front and out back? So do I already have an AP set up or is there more to do?