Openreach FTTP Full-Fibre broadband installation by overhead cable

[crimsom]

Our estate has been upgraded to have 1.0 Gbps boxes mounted on top of all telegraph poles. This looks like Openreach Fibre-To-The-distribution-point (FTTdp).   

Did not find Vodafone option to have FTTP broadband, unlimited download, full fibre ISP connection to home. 

Do any Vodafone users have FTTP broadband to their home?  

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately FTTdp is not full-fibre to the home.  Ut's usually a version of FTTH (Fibre To The Hub).  Historically this would then have enabled a G-Fast connection to the home, but this is increasingly uncommon, and so would usually mean VDSL2 the same as FTTC, but with the connection being shorter most users should get 70Mbps+.

*This is provided that the system they've put in place is not just FTTP using the existing telegraph poles - which is not uncommon (and it's not FTTdp)!

[crimsom]

Hi @KeithAlger, thank you for your response. 

On 17 October 2019 , I registered my fibre interest with BT-Openreach and they said, we'll keep you informed on progress in your area, as we include more locations into our plans on a regular basis. But I have no BT-Openreach updates. 

The BT-Openreach contractors told me that they are installing 1.0 Gbps to the estate. The installation has the physical appearance of being FTTdp on the telegraph pole next to my house. 

BT Broadband Availability Checker has been updated and now says,  Featured Products: WBC FTTP, Downstream Line Rate: up to 1000 Mbps, Upstream Line Rate: up to 220, Availability Date: Available, FTTP Install Process: 1 Stage. 

Internet search found post, that says Solved: FTTP 1 Stage Installation - BT Community and Solved: Neighbours Have FTTP I Don't - BT Community  Seemingly upgrade of telegraph pole could be FTTP.  

BT-Openreach do not seem to know what upgrade has been undertaken on the estate.

Not sure if Vodafone can use this full fibre installation. 

Kind regards. 

[Jayach]

From the following website "If your current telephone service is supplied using overhead cables fed from a telegraph pole, a new fibre-optic cable will be installed between the telegraph pole and your premises alongside the existing telephone cable."

https://www.increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/fttp-full-fibre-broadband-installation

So it sounds like it will simply be installed by using the current cable as a carrier.

[crimsom]

Hi @Jayach thank you for sharing hyperlink.  Have looked at this article, complete with images, and this is a match to our housing estate's upgrade to Openreach FTTP Full-Fibre broadband installation by overhead cable. 

The Connectorised Block Terminal (CBT) has been recently installed on the nearby telegraph pole, but might not have gone live. To get more recent information, have emailed BT requesting they submit an ORDI. 

On 03 October 2021 Openreach was emailed to create another Ultrafast Full Fibre broadband registration enquiry, but clueless response says: At the moment, your home isn’t planned to have Ultrafast Full Fibre built in the next year. 

Have completed the Openreach Availability Checker Enquiry to ask for list of ISPs who can provide FTTP when CBT on the nearby telegraph pole goes live.  

Kind regards. 

[crimsom]

Online Broadband Deals | Compare our Best Broadband Deals | BT is offering FTTP Full-Fibre 100, 500 & 900 (no phone) dedicated fibre connection direct to my home. This offer presumes the Connectorised Block Terminal (CBT) installed on the nearby telegraph pole, has or can be activated. 

Vodafone Reveal UK Prices for 1Gbps FTTH Home Broadband UPDATE - ISPreview UK

The BT-Openreach 'confusion' with our overhead CBT dedicated fibre connection is making it difficult to have Vodaphone FTTH (no phone) dialogue. https://www.vodafone.co.uk/broadband  (If you don't need a new line installed at your address, we will issue you with a new landline number and the landline at this address will be cancelled.) 

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Openreach have now undertaken 1st and 2nd Stage installation of 1.0 Gbps full fibre capability to my house. They replaced my FTTC copper wire overhead cable from house to telegraph pole. The new overhead double cable includes a FTTC copper wire cable and a FTTP fibre optic cable. Openreach installs their new small ONT modem (no battery back-up) on our brown field housing estate. The Openreach installation was excellent, the engineers were very professional and willing to customise the installation so that it was installed where we wanted it on our property. 

Openreach installation now provides FTTC and FTTP to my house. The FTTC gets its power from the local exchange, which is essential to provide analogue phone services during a power cut.  Our ISP 18 month FTTC PlusNet unlimited 36 Mbps contract has finished, so now looking to get FTTP ISP service such as Full Fibre Broadband Deals - FTTP | Vodafone. 

But Vodafone full fibre FTTP ISP seems to impose digital phone service, where the ONT modem is powered from my house, so there is no provision to provide our FTTC analogue phone service during a power cut. Did not find FTTP ISP Vodafone full fibre (no digital phone). We do not have mobile phone services and want to retain the ability to phone emergency services, especially during a power cut. 

[Jayach]

I think you will find most, if not all, FTTP connections will be providing the phone service via VoIP. In fact by 2025 even the few copper services left by then will also go VoIP as the old equipment is removed from the exchanges.

The UK’s PSTN network will switch off in 2025 | BT Business

[crimsom]

Hi @Jayach the wholesale Openreach services for brown field housing estates will continue to provide externally powered copper wire analogue phones long after 2025, according to Openreach and our local retail Vodafone shop's technical help desk, that I have now visited twice, one month apart. 

Openreach is required to keep their powered copper wire services to the house until such a time that 80% of a brown field housing estate gets FTTP digital phone service. Evidently it is now only a "recommendation" for retail ISP full fibre to provide Uninterruptible Power Supply (UPS) to the Openreach small ONT modem and their ISP Hub. Openreach currently only has a legal requirement to retain externally powered copper wire services. Openreach has only installed their small ONT modem without UPS to our house.

We are waiting for 5G services to arrive, so that we can install ISP 5G SIM card within our laptop. 

[Jayach]

I don't know what "brown field housing estates" are, I just thought they were housing build on previously used commercial land. however the plan is definitely to phase out most of the copper and all the PSTN (public switched telephone network) by 2025.

I personally don't live in an area that is currently in the plan for full fibre in the near future, but I have not heard of anyone getting a battery backed ONT, they all seem to come with their own PSU.

There is lots of news about the planned closures online, such as:

Openreach to Pilot National UK Exchange Closure Plan in 5 Areas - ISPreview UK

The BT Switch Off - Everything you Need to Know! - Yo Telecom