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Version 3 VSS Lights (Power - flashing, Internet - off, In Service - orange, In Use - orange)

Retired-Lee
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This thread has been created to discuss and troubleshoot the version 3 Sure Signal when the light sequence is as follows:

 

  • Power: Flashing
  • Internet: Off
  • In Service: Solid Orange
  • In Use: Solid Orange

 

Cause

 

This light sequence indicates the Sure Signal's not active and it has been unable to authenticate on the Vodafone network

 

Troubleshooting

 

Please restart your Sure Signal. If the symptoms continue please add the following details to this thread:

 

  • Your speed test results from here
  • Your ping test results from here
  • Your external IP address from here
  • Your Sure Signal serial number
  • The results of a traceroute

 

Traceroute command:

On a PC:

  1. Click on Start and select Run
  2. Type CMD into the Run box and press enter/click ok
  3. A black box will appear
  4. In this box type tracert 212.183.133.177 press Enter
  5. Paste the output of this command into your reply

 

On a Mac:

  1. Open Terminal (Applications, Utilities)
  2. Type 'traceroute 212.183.133.177'
  3. Press Enter

 

This will help us get the quickest possible resolution for you.

Thanks

LeeH

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Hi sidpr.

 

The manual I found online:-

http://cache-www.belkin.com/support/dl/man_f7d3302_v1_8820-00376_share_router.pdf

 

Shows little detail, but you need to go to the "Advanced Tools & Settings" menu page, and look at what hides behind the "Firewall Settings link".

(Page 6 of the above manual)

 

Sadly, that manual is as much use as a wet towel from what I can see for things like this.

 

If you're not confident messing in there, leave alone and ask someone knolwegable you trust to take a look.

 

Best Regards.

 

Dave B.

 

Thanks Dave.  We'll have a look at your suggestions and see if it works.

Hi Dave

 

Is the correct place to set up ort redirection under the NAT section of the firewall router, and the Port redirection?

 

See attached picture for this set-up.  Would you be able to explain a step by step how to complete this correctly?

 

Destination IP Addresses:

  • 212.183.133.177
  • 212.183.133.178
  • 212.183.133.179
  • 212.183.133.181
  • 212.183.133.182
  • 212.183.131.128/26

Ports and Protocols:

  • 8 – TCP/UDP                 (All routers)
  • 50 – TCP/UDP               (All routers)                     
  • 123 – UDP                    (All routers)     
  • 500 – UDP                    (All routers)     
  • 1723 – TCP/UDP           (BT Home Hubs)          
  • 4500 – UDP                   (All routers

Hi again danielworf

 

Yes, that looks like the place.    It may even be able to do WAN IP address based rules too, as there is mention of "WAN interface" (illustrated set to ALL) but with a dropdown menu tag.   It may let you enter a single address, or I suspect a range of addresses as we need, as well as getting it to serve a fixed (same each time) address for the VSS itself.

 

You'll have to play with the settings and see if you can get it to make sense.  It takes time to learn about this stuff sadly.

 

So long as you dont' hit the OK button, such settings will not be applied while you play with that dialog.

 

I'd recomend though, if you can find out how, make a backup of the current settings, and learn how to perform a master reset, and then reload them, for when (not if!) you make a mistake!...   You then have a get-out-of jail card to play.

 

Google the router make/model number, you'll probably find others with more detailed knowlege of that particular beast.  In particular how they accept address range details.

 

Draytek's support website is good to poke about too for tutorials, but you have to register (for free) to get any meaningfull access.

 

Off to play with the traffic on way home via the shops now.

 

Regards to All.

 

Dave B.

 

 

crobinuk
4: Newbie

Hi there,

 

I have had a Version 3 VSS since last week and have yet to get it working when connected to my BT Business Hub on BT Infinity.

 

Every time I switch it on, the power light comes on, the internet light flashes 8 times, then it flips to:

 

 

  • Power: Flashing
  • Internet: Off
  • In Service: Solid Orange
  • In Use: Solid Orange

 

I called Vodafone Tech Support and they told me that I needed to "leave it plugged in for 24 hours to complete configuration". This didn't change anything.

 

I have spent an hour on the phone with BT trying to troubleshoot it over the weekend - I can confirm:

 

- Serial: 42150207761

- the IP of the VSS has been fixed

- BT Wifi is disabled

- UPNP Disabled

- all the ports are forwarded to the fixed IP (not via MAC):

 

8 tcp/udp

50 tcp/udp

53 tcp/udp

67 udp

68 udp

123 udp

500 udp

1723 tcp/udp

4500 udp

33434 to 33445 tcp/udp

 

 

- VPN port clamping is ON

- router has been rebooted.

 

BT told me that they have been through a lot of testing with Vodafone and these are all the steps that should be necessary to get it working; there are no outstanding issues between VSS and BT Infinity as far as they are concerned.

 

They also advised to leave the VSS for one hour (apparently it needs to resync) - but this didn't help.

 

Test Results:

 

Speedtest: 74.91 mbps DOWN / 16.75 mbps UP

 

IP Address: 81.149.215.212

 

Pingtest: 0% Packet Loss; 9ms Ping; 0ms Jitter; GRADE A

 

Tracert:

 

Tracing route to cluster4.vap.vodafone.co.uk [212.183.133.177]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BTBusinessHub.home [192.168.1.254]
2 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms host81-130-224-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.130.224.1]
3 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 213.120.178.141
4 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms 213.120.177.98
5 6 ms 7 ms 6 ms 217.41.168.33
6 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 217.41.168.107
7 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms 109.159.249.110
8 6 ms 6 ms 6 ms core4-te0-0-0-18.faraday.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.249.45]
9 7 ms 7 ms 6 ms 62.6.201.187
10 9 ms 11 ms 11 ms lndgw2.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.124]
11 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms 85.205.0.93
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
18 * * * Request timed out.
19 * * * Request timed out.
20 * * * Request timed out.
21 * * * Request timed out.
22 * * * Request timed out.
23 * * * Request timed out.
24 * * * Request timed out.
25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.

Trace complete.

 

Please help, thanks.

crobinuk

  I love  seeing  other  peoples  results !!  Having  spent a  month trying to get either of my suresignals to work, I have given in. But what caught my eye in your post was 

 

"Speedtest: 74.91 mbps DOWN / 16.75 mbps UP"

 

Wow !! I have 5.9 DOWN and 0.3 UP...as  well as  no mobile phone reception. It's clearly another world out there...but not  where I live !!

Hi Jhopkins,

 

Well it's taken me 15 years to finally live somewhere that has BT fibre available - previous connection for the last 7 years was 8mb down, pretty similar to you.

 

However - no mobile phone signal here at all, so I guess it's swings and roundabouts :Smiling:

 

CR

crobinuk.

 

Sadly, your experiance sounds like ours in the early days.

 

(Very) long story short.

 

The BT "Business" hub is a joke.   It's less functional than a Home Hub.  I for one recomend you replace it either with an earlier version Home Hub (if you have one) or you look to source an alternative router.

 

If you have the "Outreach" VDSL modem too, that also is a bit of an unknown quantity, as to it's ability.

 

We eventually caved in, and purchased a Draytek Vigor 2860n-Plus router, that among other things has a built in VDSL modem.  But they cost over £200 new, though certain online auction sites often have them at much more economical rates, but do you trust the seller not to have hacked the firmware for their own ends?

 

It also has far superior abilities in handling data from various sources, and making sure it gets to where it needs.   Also, providing a "Guest" WiFi as well as a WiFi access point to the main office LAN, keeping the two logically seperate.  (Guest can't access office resources etc.)

 

However, setting it up is not for the feint of heart, but is not beyond someone if they take time and read the instructions and online hints.

 

We also have a MS Small Business server, with VPN's coming in from outworkers and overseas.   That alone was enough to rule out the BT Business Hub, as that can only have one type of VPN incoming at at time.   (Pretty lame these days.)

 

The main thing the Vigor (and other generic routers) offer, is address based firewall/routing rules, and the ability to pass fragmented packets if so desired, as well as setting the MTU value to 1500.

 

Possible alternatives are some of the Netgear routers (I had our VSS working at home via a Netgear N1000 router just fine on a normal ADSL line, with minimal configuration changes.)

 

Some older Lynksys WRT54 series devices too, if you can get the highly regarded and indipendant "Tomato" fimware installed and running, as again the stock Lynksys firmware can't it seems do all that's needed by default.   Well, some versions at least.

 

But you probably need to be fully signed up with anorak etc to networking nerdsville to get that lot working :Smiling:

 

One thing these Sure Signal devices are not, is "Plug and Play"!.

 

Regards.

 

Dave B.

(Vodafone Not.)

 

emcguinness
2: Seeker
2: Seeker

Hi,

 

After changing our ISP our suresignals in the office no longer work. I am guessing this is most likely as most gelocation tools show our external IP as US based which as much as I would like is not true. Our pulic IP is 66.155.23.68, the sure signal I am currently setting up is 40132118437.

 

As for the other stuff. Speed test is > 500mb/s with <10 ms latency and traceroute is:

 

Tracing route to cluster4.vap.vodafone.co.uk [212.183.133.177]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 2 ms 1 ms 192.168.4.1
2 6 ms 2 ms 7 ms 5.44.26.65
3 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10ge.por-5ltp1ops-dis-2.peer1.net [216.187.112.186]
4 4 ms 4 ms 9 ms 10ge.xe-0-0-0.ldn-eqx-cor-1.peer1.net [216.187.115.225]
5 5 ms 5 ms 5 ms 10ge.xe-0-0-0.ldn-telehw-cor-1.peer1.net [216.18
7.112.181]
6 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ldngw1.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.209]
7 6 ms 5 ms 6 ms 85.205.0.93
8 * * * Request timed out.

 

 

emcguinness  (interesting handle in two respects!)

 

Call your new ISP, and get them to give you an IP address, that is in the RIPE database as located in the UK.

 

https://apps.db.ripe.net/search/query.html

Is currently showing your IP as a non ripe managed address!

 

If they cant/wont do that, I doubt you'll ever get the Sure Signal working again, unless you can persuade Vodafone to create a unique exeption for you.   About as likley as p'ing in the QM's handbag.

 

Some call's to make I think.

 

Regards.

 

Dave B

(Never was part of vodafone.)