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Ping/Latency way higher Gigafast 900

htyaH
13: Advanced Member

I used to get 5ms ping to London (from Coventry), now I am being auto connected to Edinburugh and I get 15 ping to there, when I try to speedtest to London or even right next to me in Leicester I am getting pings above 22...I called in and they just said "they added new servers and there's nothing much we can do"...

 

any help?

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Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

Your problem may be a cityfibre issue, but this thread isn't. I'm with openreach btw.

Jayach
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

@purrbox wrote:

NO. ....it 100% IS cityfibre.

You connect to the city fibre network via the box on your wall. The first hop that shows up on your trace route (after your router) has a high ping due to the previous hops inside cityfibres network (which don't show up). These are the hops between your box and the head end.

 


I disagree, the first hop shown is your gateway/PoP/BNG. If that is at the other end of the country, it gets there through Vodafone's network not CityFibre's.

I can find no complaints about CityFibre from other ISP's. It just seems to be Vodafone. (O.K. I might not have found them, doesn't mean they're not there)

As CityFibre are using (presumably) current technology, what could be causing the extra delay?


I don't understand the argument of this being a CityFibre issue.

 

I literally went from a previous CityFibre provider to Vodafone and the only change from my end was the router. I've never had high pings previously but as soon as it switched to Vodafone, the ping issues started.

 

Like others have mentioned the first hop is a Vodafone gateway, not a CityFibre gateway. CityFibre do indeed control the fibre link from your home to their Fibre Exchange (FEX) and from the FEX to the ISP.

 

That said, it'd be very difficult for them to slow this down as light travels... well... at the speed of light, you'd have to coil up a fibre cable in many miles to get a significant slowdown (look at how IEX stock exchange adds latency to trades in case you're interested).

 

Once it hits your ISP, that's basically when the packets are actually routed through the internet but if the ISP is physically (or logically) routing your packets to a gateway that is a long distance away (or one that is very congested) then that's where the latency can occur. Now, this may not show up on a trace route because it's handled internally by the Vodafone network before it hits the internet.

 

I'm pretty sure the gateways (first hops) are controlled by Vodafone because the IP address belongs to an ASN number that relates to Vodafone.

 

Also, if this is a CityFibre issue it doesn't explain why whenever Vodafone assign a new IP, sometimes the ping issues go / come back.

 

This is how I understood it at least, I'm happy to be proven incorrectly; honestly it would be lovely to be disproven by a Vodafone engineer that knows what they're talking about.

 

I find it highly unlikely that this is a CityFibre issue and if it was, Vodafone should easily be able to see it and start asking CityFibre why (and probably more importantly how because it would require effort) they're discriminating against their ISP vs others. 

htyaH
13: Advanced Member

I have spoken to people behind the scenes. Supposedly Vodafone is having a nightmare of a time. Their staff are too incompetent/untrained to handle the issues and they're throwing all the customers issues towards CityFibre/OpenReach. This is not conjecture, but what's actually happening. A lot of these issues that we are facing are fixable however because the people at VF are sorely lacking in technical background, many of our complaints are just getting shafted straight to CityFibre/OpenReach and nothing ends up happening. Engineers from both companies have been complaining about how much of a mess Vodafone are, and it shows.

"NO. ....it 100% IS cityfibre."

 

CityFibre just changes the VLAN based on what ISP you're with.

It's 100% a Vodafone issue unless it can be proven otherwise, with evidence, not just words.

htyaH
13: Advanced Member

Your best bet guys is to either:

 

- sit and wait it out.

- try emailing some of the higher ups (ceo/head of customer service, etc.) / making a complaint

- change ISP (I got them to waive my early termination fee so when I cancel I pay nothing).

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Suddenly getting higher ping to Fastly.com, not sure what's happened.

My BNG: SQYN02-BNG-C1

My Gateway: 84.65.64.1

htyaH
13: Advanced Member

The CEO of VF UK is active on twitter, I would suggest if you guys wanted to make some noise to tweet at them about it and see if any attention can be drawn: https://twitter.com/Haythtv/status/1583530672689672192

Ripshod
16: Advanced member
16: Advanced member

@seven0007 wrote:

Suddenly getting higher ping to Fastly.com, not sure what's happened.

My BNG: SQYN02-BNG-C1

My Gateway: 84.65.64.1


SQYN02-BNG-C1 is in the Surrey Quays datacentre, Would that explain your high latency?

Nah that's close to me, my latency is usually 2-3ms, to the gateway it still is.

But latency suddenly gone up for Fastly.com + this is the first time it's happened since I've been with Vodafone.

 

Also any reason why ping in generally so bouncy, always experienced this. I know it's not a leased line but compared to other ISP's it seems like there's a lot more jitter:

 

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