FTTP/Cityfibre. Traffic shaping suspected. Poor download speeds during evenings. MUCH better on VPN

[Martynux]

Dear Vodafone,

It is time you admit that you are applying traffic shaping on your internet connection during the evenings.

I have always wondered why some traffic goes through better than other in the evenings.

I have done extensive testing in the past few days and I have come across to the below findings:

Internet connection speeds drop down to miserable 2-3 megabits download during the evenings / peak time. Upload though goes well and I'd say it is intact.

So I have done some testing. I have connected to different VPN providers to the servers nearby in the UK as well as abroad as far as Iceland and Lithuania.

And guess what - Over the VPN I get 200+ mbps results, immediately as I drop out from VPN and do the test on a clean line I again get those miserable few megabits.

Now if you are technical enough you must understand the irony here.

Going through VPN channel always should give you lower speeds as extra hops and conditions involved in the traffic/equipment. However when on VPN, speed test results are always better. Always, not sometimes, but always. And considerably much better than having connection without being wrapped up in VPN.

This indicates only one thing - QOS/Traffic shaping is in place with Vodafone during peak times.

Tell me, Vodafone, please, why when I am paying for 900mbps I am getting the service of a few megabits during peak times? And please, keep that rubbish to yourself when you start stating - oh it is probably your router, your Wi-Fi and so on. No it is not! I know it is not. I am getting exactly the same results on wired connection using Vodafone or any other router. To be precise your router is a piece of junk that is good for grandmas who watch BBC iPlayer and send three WhatsApp messages a day. I am and advanced user, a technician in fact, with 20+ years of IT support under my belt. 

It is not my router to blame, not my corporate grade wireless access point, not even cheap Vodafone router to blame, it is the policies that Vodafone has set on the back end to shape the traffic during busiest periods.

And it is not fair. I am paying for 900mbps service, yet during evenings I get 300 times slower speeds than I am paying for. Even daytime I rarely reach anything more than 500mbps, it doesn't really bother me that much as I consider speeds above 100mbps acceptable and I simply have no patience to call your India-based call centres and speak to so called "experts" who read from the script, have little to no actual knowledge, and won't deviate from script that they read from the knowledge-base and give a pre-defined answers from templates.

Explain this please, how is this fair, and how is this a good value for money that I am paying? I am actually considering leaving Vodafone, at least when I had broadband over copper line I was getting consistent speeds 24/7. Heck, even with 3 mobile 4G connection I had better speeds than with you guys! 

I see no reason why I should be utilising VPN in order to increase my internet browsing experience. It is an extra expense as well as extra burden that I have to go through in order to reach acceptable connection speeds.

Three days ago, in the evening I was trying to download 5 gigabyte Windows 10 ISO file from Microsoft, I was getting estimated time of download of 7 hours over 900mbps FTTP line. Makes sense? - Thought so, it does not make sense to me either.

Feel free to reach out to me for troubleshooting if you are brave enough to deal with me, I promise you, I won't go easy on you, but I promise to be reasonable and respectful. However I won't take your nonsense and won't accept that it is something to do with my equipment, because I know it is not the equipment.. It is not, and I know, period!

I have done plenty of testing internally, I have tested my independent wireless AP throughput over local network and I have amazing results as long as Vodafone is not in the picture. Anything routed through Vodafone internet link is rubbish unless I wrap that device that is reaching out to the internet to VPN. 

I really don't enjoy having to jump through the hoops just to have something that should be provided to me already because it is a contractual obligation. I expect the service to be delivered as per contract, not some lame excuses from cheap labour agent somewhere in India who has no idea what he is talking about.

So to sum this up:

From 18:00 onwards to around 22-24h connection speeds drop dramatically to miserable few megabits, sometimes if lucky 30-40mbps, never goes above 100. 

No difference if Vodafone or other independent router / access point used, connection still rubbish.

When on VPN, then connection is much better - going to 200-300mbps speeds.

Outside those hours connection speeds are much better, good enough not to complain about. 

I work from home supporting different timezones and working during evenings is a challenge due to this issue. I certainly have an impact on my work performance due to this.

My equipment/plan:

Cityfibre FTTP 900mbps.

Draytek Vigor 2925 router

Ubiquiti Unifi UAP-nanoHD.

Location: Aberdeen

To add a cherry on top of this cake: it is not only me that is having this issue here in Aberdeen. There are 3 more of us (and I can provide their details on request) who are subscribed to Cityfibre/Vodafone FTTP service and we all are having exactly the same issue during evenings. We all live in different areas of the city, so the problem is city-wide, not only to specific area within the city. 

Please get this sorted rather than ignore or give silly answers claiming it is our equipment. It is not. I know it, and you know it too. Time to call things as they are. 

Best regards,

Marty

[Cynric]

@Jayach In the post which contained the image the comment was relating to speed.

[Jayach]

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@Cynric wrote:

@Jayach In the post which contained the image the comment was relating to speed.

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Yes, but I know from their previous posts, it is the ping of 20ms that will be annoying @purrbox .

@purrbox wrote:

The speeds have improved but the routing issue still persists.

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[taysonbergmann]

"From 18:00 onwards to around 22-24h connection speeds drop dramatically to miserable few megabits, sometimes if lucky 30-40mbps, never goes above 100.

No difference if Vodafone or other independent router / access point used, connection still rubbish.

When on VPN, then connection is much better - going to 200-300mbps speeds.
the same applies to me, luckily my contract runs only 4 months, so long I'm thinking of getting a vpn and then finally change the provider, I'll test a few vpns and see which works best, let's see if one of these vpn services comes into question.

[Jayach]

@taysonbergmann 

I use Nord, and can't fault them. (they also own Surfshark but I haven't tried them, but they are highly recommended.)

If you join via Quidco, with the cashback, it comes to relatively little money for the 2 year plan.

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[P1x3l8]

I've just moved from FFTC VM Gigabit to Voda pro 900 FFTP and having same issues - It's worse than VM ever was - and they were bad - but very dissappointed and wasn't expecting this...I have just finished my 14 day cool off and have already received an email saying I can leave without fees!!! My BQM with thinkbroadband shows issues every day from around 1800 - 0000 but during the day and wee hours the line although not perfect isn't that bad. I had VM Hub 5 with VM which was mostly ok with wifi and didnt have any boosters but now I require 3 boosters with the Ultra Hub which is just ok and it's also more lekky money to pay as well. Vodafone are looking into it but VM had said they use their line and no-one else whereas Voda use BT lines that are shared with multiple ISP providers so i think I'll be going back to VM...Watch this space. 

[Ripshod]

Yes vodafone do use Openreach, but if you have a symmetrical speed profile you're actually connected via Cityfibre.

It's rare, but it's possible you have a bad router but you can't tell vodafone support that. They'll still want to go by their script.

Can you give us a link to your current BQM, and also a couple of speedtest results (AM/PM)?

[P1x3l8]

Hi..Thanks for your reply...My BQM is like this every night? This is my VM BQM below and I'm wondering if i am making a mistake moving over!!!   Speed wise my upload is pretty much always OK (but lower than it should be) and my download is generally in double figures. I disconnected everything and switched off the wifi then connected my pc straight to the router - trying both ports and noticed the download was higher most of the time - around 150Mbps average with no change in upload, but overall still transiently up and down and always under 200Mbps... How do I add a pic of speed tests?

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/5f8f5991f0a5ced487b21968291cd7be74...

[P1x3l8]

Hi..Thanks for your reply...My BQM is like this every night?  https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/4dd4b67362388e25b73d0c93e49186a13f...

This is my VM BQM below and I'm wondering if i am making a mistake moving over!!!   Speed wise my upload is pretty much always OK (but lower than it should be) and my download is generally in double figures. I disconnected everything and switched off the wifi then connected my pc straight to the router - trying both ports and noticed the download was higher most of the time - around 150Mbps average with no change in upload, but overall still transiently up and down and always under 200Mbps... How do I add a pic of speed tests?

https://www.thinkbroadband.com/broadband/monitoring/quality/share/5f8f5991f0a5ced487b21968291cd7be74...

[Ripshod]

For the speedtest result you can either post screenshots and wait for the images to be moderated, or you can just post the result links. 

[Ripshod]

I can already tell from your BQM that your gateway is quite some distance from you, so a traceroute to bbc.com would help us identify where your gateway is.