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09-07-2020 02:32 AM - edited 09-07-2020 10:08 AM
My Gigafast Broadband 900 connection that is based in Milton Keynes is getting routed through Manchester instead of London. This means that all data packets go 120 miles north, and then 160 miles south before they can start getting routed to the correct destination.
Latency to bbc.co.uk (London area) is no less than 14ms, instead of 2-3ms:
$ ping -c 10 bbc.co.uk PING bbc.co.uk (151.101.192.81): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 151.101.192.81: icmp_seq=0 ttl=57 time=14.999 ms ... --- bbc.co.uk ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 14.359/14.643/15.033/0.213 ms
A service hosted in the Manchester area:
$ ping -c 10 ae5-100-xcr1.man.cw.net PING ae5-100-xcr1.man.cw.net (195.89.96.113): 56 data bytes 64 bytes from 195.89.96.113: icmp_seq=0 ttl=60 time=9.904 ms ... --- ae5-100-xcr1.man.cw.net ping statistics --- 10 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 0.0% packet loss round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 9.194/9.976/10.692/0.382 ms
Did anyone else experience a similar behaviour? Did you manage to get it solved? How?
Thanks!
28-11-2022 12:15 PM - edited 28-11-2022 12:26 PM
Hi, and sorry for the late reply . Mtr returns a very stable trace if I increase the ICMP polling interval to 2s . Apparently there's something ( I guess that the router is ) dropping ICMP traffic if the request rate is higher ( in my case, it will drop ICMP packets if running with the default 1s interface ).
I get exactly the same results with the old super hub ( grey, wifi 5 ) and the new ultra hub ( white , wifi 6 ) .
( Summing up here for late joiners.. I've been a Gigafast customer for 2yr+ and this ping , which averages 25ms , would be 8ms a few months ago . Lag is obviously introduced within Vodafone network, in the first two hops, before leaving to public Internet . Similar results with other hosts, 1.1.1.1 , etc )
My traceroute [v0.95] COMP (192.168.1.150) -> 8.8.8.8 (8.8.8.8) 2022-11-28T12:09:11+0000 Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit Packets Pings Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst StDev 1. 192.168.1.1 0.0% 85 1.0 1.2 0.9 2.3 0.2 2. 90.247.128.1 0.0% 85 13.9 13.7 12.7 14.6 0.3 3. 63.130.105.134 0.0% 85 23.7 23.4 22.2 25.3 0.4 4. (waiting for reply) 5. 216.239.42.41 0.0% 84 26.9 28.0 26.3 94.0 7.3 6. 172.253.66.89 0.0% 84 25.8 25.6 24.6 30.2 0.8 7. dns.google 0.0% 84 24.1 24.7 23.8 27.2 0.4
The experience with Vodafone has been so far incredibly frustrating. Dropping calls, closing chat sessions, closing fault tickets without really getting in touch with the customers or looking into what is been reported ( see for instance FLT11490452 if you work for Vodafone , closed with a they tested the line and no fault was found , The ONT is up and present with good light levels and correct Duplex settings need to check customers equipment and configuration settings but landed to ring and no audio twice ) - the guy called, but there was no answer on the other side of the line, and never called back - . Called right after, another guy said that he was sending a replacement router because something was "wrong in his tests" , got am email about it but it never moved forward. Neither the escalation he said he was going to do to the network engineering team.
Customer support has been really disappointing so far. I'm trying again today.
28-11-2022 10:24 PM - edited 29-11-2022 04:37 PM
I see what you mean.
That second hop 90.247.128.1 (your Vodafone gateway) is introducing a lot of latency which persists through the rest of the hops. The third hop 63.130.105.134 is just as bad. They are either saturated, or physically further than they should be.
I am in MK and connecting to https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/90.247.64.1, which appears to be in Leicester. A latency of 3-4ms sounds about right.
Since you are also in MK @quinindiola , then I would double-check if this is accurate: https://whatismyipaddress.com/ip/90.247.128.1 appears to be in Northern Ireland. If that is true, then a latency of 13ms sounds right to me. And if the second hop 63.130.105.134 is somewhere close to MK, then 23ms before you get to the edge of the Vodafone network also sounds reasonable.
The above is probably not accurate, but it would be worth asking Vodafone support:
If Vodafone can't help, or you simply run out of patience, there are a bunch of other CityFibre providers which are available in Milton Keynes: https://cityfibre.com/
28-11-2022 11:53 PM
90.247.128.1 is edbtn1-bng-c1, so another user being routed via Edinburgh.
Join the club.
28-11-2022 12:35 PM - edited 28-11-2022 01:11 PM
Hi @Amanda I've only found resistance through all customer support channels I've tried to get my issue escalated.
I don't know what else I can do but ask Vodafone to contact me directly instead.
Fault case FLT11490452 should give you a good way of contacting me over the phone or email.
I'll keep posting updates here and/or a dedicated thead on the main forum in the meanwhile.
Example of one of my multiple exchanges with customer support.
TOBI: Thanks for choosing to chat with us. An agent will be with you shortly Me: Could I be transferred to Wifi Xperts team please? Hala: Hi X, thanks for connecting with the Wi-Fi Xpert Chat team. How can I help you today? Hala: Hi, are we still connected? Me: Hi I have a support ticket open with you Me: FLT11490452 Me: Apparently it was closed without getting in touch with me Hala: so sorry about that Hala: will definitely check this for you Hala: would you mind if we go through security checks first Me: Sure Hala: perfect Hala: can you please provide me with the 2nd and 3rd digit of your pin code Me: X and X Hala: perfect match! Hala: thank you Hala: allow me few minutes please while i check Me: Apparently the ticket was closed shortly after someone called, I picked the phone but no one answered on the other side ( around the 22nd 16:30 GMT ) Me: I contacted again the wifi xperts team shortly after. Me: Apparently the support person ordered a router replacement and passed the case to network engineers. Is there a second support ticket about this? If so could I have the number? Me: In any case I'd love to follow up because I got a first email regarding the router replacement, but it never happened ( and it was supposed to be a next-day replacemnt ) Hala: again we're really sorry about this experience but i will make sure to check everything for you Me: thanks Hala: sure my pleasure! Hala: just to ask Hala: what's wrong with your router Me: Nothing is wrong in my opinion Me: But the support person apparently run a test and "something was off" Me: My problem is that I am experiencing higher than expected connection latencies. Me: In my opinion it is a network configuration problem. I'm trying to get someone look into it Hala: yes Hala: sorry about that Hala: i'm checking everything you mentioned Me: While waiting I wrote another message in the forum, https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Other-broadband-queries/Milton-Keynes-routed-via-Manchester-high-latency-Gigafast/m-p/2720918/highlight/true#M25883 ( SOMETHING INTERRUPTED THE SESSION HERE , BACK TO SQUARE 1 ) Me: Hi Mohamed: Hi X, thanks for connecting with Vodafone Broadband Chat support. How can I help you today? Me: This is the summary of my case, https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Other-broadband-queries/Milton-Keynes-routed-via-Manchester-high-latency-Gigafast/m-p/2720918/highlight/true#M25883 Me: The experience with Vodafone has been so far incredibly frustrating. Dropping calls, closing chat sessions, closing fault tickets without really getting in touch with the customers or looking into what is been reported ( see for instance FLT11490452 if you work for Vodafone , closed with a they tested the line and no fault was found , The ONT is up and present with good light levels and correct Duplex settings need to check customers equipment and configuration settings but landed to ring and no audio twice ) . Called right after, another guy said that he was sending a replacement router because something was "wrong in his tests" , got am email about it but it never moved forward. Neither the escalation he said he was going to do to the network engineering team. Me: I'm trying to get my problem routed to the right team. Me: So far I'm stuck in Wifi Xperts support L1. Me: I'm not an isolated case. Mohamed: sure i can help you Me: Your Community Manager is asking me to get in touch with you. Me: I am doing this. Mohamed: I have your account ready. Let's complete a quick security check so that I can try to resolve this for you. Mohamed: It’s a 4 digit PIN that you might’ve set at the time of registering your Vodafone account or while placing the order. You might want to give it a try as it’s the easiest way to clear security check. Mohamed: you can confirm the 1st 2 digits only Me: X X Mohamed: Perfect , i'm checking the case now Mohamed: I see there is active session since Fri Nov 25 11:37:32 wifi is signal is 94 % which is good Me: I don't use Wifi for my connections Me: My tests are ran from a computer connected to ther router over a Cat7 Ethernet cable. Me: I don't have connectivity issues, but networking routing problems. Me: I'm trying to get my case escalated to a L2/L3 support team who can look into the routing for my connection/area/subnet. It is an issue widely reported in VF forums. If it is escalated to a higher level of support they will really appreciate having my details ( which is what the message from your community manager , https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Other-broadband-queries/Milton-Keynes-routed-via-Manchester-high-latency-Gigafast/m-p/2720490#M25790, is saying ) Mohamed: i'm unable to run tests on your router it is not responding are you using this router XXXXXXXXXXX ? Me: Not anymore because your colleague asked me to pack it and put it in a box. I am now using my old router. Me: Old router S/N is CPxxxxRAKH8 Mohamed: IS it THG3000 ? Me: yep Me: It doesn't really matter which one I use, I get consistent behaviour in both relating the routing of my IP traffic within vodafone network. Me: It is all summarised here, https://forum.vodafone.co.uk/t5/Other-broadband-queries/Milton-Keynes-routed-via-Manchester-high-latency-Gigafast/m-p/2720918#M25883 Me: I'd appreciate that if your tools or expertise don't allow you to look further into this, PLEASE can you escalate the ticket to a next level of support where a network engineer can look into it ? Mohamed: actually i'm unable to access any of these links Me: OK lets reset for a minute. Me: Is there somewhere in my case a request for shipping a replacement router? Me: An email was sent to me on this matter on 23 Nov xxxx. 17:44 Mohamed: i found order her for replacement router SBL-1000000616228679 Me: What's the status for the order? Me: It was supposed to be a next-day replacement sent with DPD. But never happened. Me: I don't think it is required. But they support person was really convinced it would help. Mohamed: Still open Me: How come is not sent yet? Me: It is a next-day replacement isn't it Mohamed: did DPD contacted you ? Me: No Me: I doubt Vodafone handed it over to DPD Me: As I need my internet connection for work I plugged my old router back. Me: Is there a fault ticket related to that router replacement that I could get and use for further communication with customer support? Mohamed: i'm checking that and will track this router with DPD allow me 3min. Me: Sure Me: Regardless of the router replacement issue, the support person that I talked with and ordered this replacement said that he would escalate the issue to the next level of support. Is that on record? If so, is there a ticket number I could use to track it when contacting support? ( SOMETHING INTERRUPTED THE SESSION HERE , I )
28-11-2022 02:07 PM
OK one last update. The last person I talked to was more reasonably informed.
He advised that
a) there's no escalation path for this issue at the moment. Any fault ticket opened by us will be closed on the escalation path because it will be sent by procedure to CityFibre and they will say "OK nothing's wrong with out customer connection"
b) Some team is aware of the issue , he will send feedback to them but there is no way this feedback can be traced back to me as an affected customer.
c) Any updates will be very likely shared through the forums 🤣 .
Meanwhile I can blame my bad productivity on remote desktop and how bad am I at Call of Duty on my Gigafast 900 Pro II connection.
29-11-2022 09:10 AM
Thanks for continuing to keep us updated @quinindiola
I've already chased this up this morning and this in turn has been chased up with our Higher Technical team, who deal with CityFibre directly. I will let the thread know as soon as I have any news - I understand it's frustrating and I do wish there was more information to give you at the moment.
I'm afraid we're unable to discuss anything over Private Message via the Community, due to both security and moderation reasons - we're more than happy to do this via Facebook or Twitter, as previously mentioned 🙂
29-11-2022 12:27 PM - edited 13-01-2023 10:27 AM
Still have high pings due to wrong gateway.
21-11-2022 07:56 PM - edited 22-11-2022 07:59 AM
I can imagine that this must be frustrating for many of you. Different areas will experience a different QoS.
In the last 30 days, this is what I'm measuring via CityFibre Milton Keynes:
- 3ms mean ping to 90.247.64.1 Vodafone gateway
- 5ms mean ping to 8.8.8.8
- 5ms mean ping to 1.1.1.1
In comparison, my 188.94.41.141 BT Open Reach secondary gateway, had 2x higher latency: 7ms mean ping.
This is what that looks like in a graph:
For comparison, if I fail-over from CityFibre to BT Open Reach, pings become more variable. This is a decent evening, but most times they are 2-3x worse than Virgin CityFibre. See this last 15 mins graph:
I know that many of you continue having problems with this. Even though my specific problem was solved, I will leave this issue as unanswered hoping that it will get the attention that it needs.
21-11-2022 10:15 PM
So glad your original problem is solved. I genuinely believe Vodafone are trying to resolve the routing issues, but are taking too long about it.
22-11-2022 08:22 AM - edited 22-11-2022 08:23 AM
Thanks for leaving the thread open!
In my case (CityFibre MK) it is equally stable, with ping to 90.247.128.1 (first hop in traceroute) averaging 13.5ms , average ping to 8.8.8.8 around the 24ms, ping to 1.1.1.1 slightly better, around 22ms.
On the fun side... I have been with CityFibre for 2yr+ and this ping would average 8ms for the first 1yr+ . It was only degraded recently.