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02-12-2013 08:47 AM
Okay, so here's a weird one for the tech-team. The house I live in has no Vodafone signal at all and with 2 teenagers, 5 iPhones and 3 IPads in the household that's a real pain. I have BT infinity fibre business broadband (business, because I need a fixed IP address)
About 3 years ago, I bought an SS2 - Fantastic - it solved my problems. In fact it worked so well I asked Vodafone if two would work on the same broadband connection. They said yes, so I bought another one. All was well and both worked well for months, then about 2 years ago they suddenly and randomly stopped working (at the exact same moment ) despite their being no obvious changes to my network or ISP.
During a very lengthy process, I then spent days (it felt like weeks) on the phone and on-line to second line tech teams, trying to get even one of the SS2s to work. The two SS2s were replaced with SS3s FOC by Vodafone and since then despite a lot of trying, they never worked. I was told by Vodafone that they would never work on PPoE ( but they had been working before ! ) I was told to map internal ports ( strange because if ports needed to be mapped – how did I ever get 2 to work at once ?) I activated, reactivated, waited 24hours more times than I could count and in the end …..gave up !
So, sitting on a shelf, I had two SS3's (1 18 months old and 1 was replaced under warranty last week) I have never managed to get them to work with my ISP. But then I read promising posts on this forum. They said that the new BT HomeHub4 works with the SS3, so I paid to upgrade ( I got an even newer HH5)
I installed the new hub, got my network up and running and connected to broadband. Everything looked good so I plugged in one SS3 and crossed my fingers. After quite a while with a red power light and a flashing white internet light, - success !!!!! FANTASTIC !!!! - IT WORKED. I then tried the other SS3 and got the same result - 2 working SS3s. Life was looking good.
All was well, until I noticed that my email wasn’t working. Checking through I found that I had accidentally connected my HH5 to the Domestic BT infinity service, so I was operating under a randomly allocated IP address. Glad I had found the issue, I reconnected using my BT business login and password. All good, connection made, IP address restored to what it should be. Reset the two SS3s, and waited..........after a few minutes - arghhhh - the dreaded two orange flashing lights !! - retried several times, still no good.
So, as I had had that initial success, I re-connected the HH5, using the retail username - the SS3s leapt into life. I reconnected on business username - no go. I played with this for a while, trying the SS3s plugged in at various locations in my network and every time the SS3s worked on retail but not on business. I then tried connecting on retail and left the SS3s plugged in, while I (very quickly) clicked the disconnect button on the HH5 from retail and reconnected on business on the fly ! Strangely the SS3s seemed not to notice - they were happily sitting there with their 2 lights glowing. Stranger and stranger - I tried making calls on my iPhones and they both worked fine - Okay that seemed like success to me.
Unfortunately after a few hours, first one and then the second SS3 dropped back to their obstinate 2 flashing orange lights status. Having experimented, the time taken to drop off the Vodafone connection seems random but eventually they do drop out and I have to reset my HH5 to retail to get them working again.
I seem to have to choose between a Vodafone signal, or my fixed IP address but I can’t have both.
Now I am not a complete luddite but this is beyond me. I've spoken to BT and they kindly say they can't help me because the SS3 is not a product they support, although they did say that the 'back-end' on their Openreach network is exactly the same, whether it's retail of business !!
Anyone got any thoughts ?
I am very willing to try alternatives and I guess I am in a reasonably unique position, to act as a bit of a test bed for the BT infinity, Vodafone Sure Signal issues that litter these boards.
02-12-2013 07:42 PM
Hi HuwM,
It sounds like there’s an issue with using a static IP address, especially as you say the Sure Signal works when connected to the domestic BT service and a dynamic IP.
Is it possible to have the Sure Signal connected to a domestic service and use the business broadband for your business needs?
Cheers,
Andrew
02-12-2013 08:26 PM
Uhm, yes of course it's possible but it will mean paying a substantial amount of money to have another broadband installation and then a monthly fee to keep it,when I've already paid you guys for two SureSignals that don't work.
Isn't it possible for you to investigate why the SS3 won't connect via a fixed IP ?
Would you please check whether my IP is blocked on your system. Its 81.133.26.102.
03-12-2013 10:53 AM
03-12-2013 11:01 AM
Yes, of course. As per my post, there are 2 of them. They are Serial No's 40132317641 ( which I call SS1) and 40123600245 (SS2)
In case you need the standard tests, here they are ( there are 2 sets,labelled business and retail - depending on which way I connect )
ON BT Fibre - Business
Broadband network IP address: 81.133.26.102
Default gateway: 81.148.0.1
Primary DNS: 194.72.9.38
Secondary DNS: 62.6.40.162
Traceroute:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Main>tracert 212.183.133.177
Tracing route to cluster4.vap.vodafone.co.uk [212.183.133.177]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BThomehub.home [192.168.0.254]
2 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms host81-148-0-1.in-addr.btopenworld.com [81.148.0.1]
3 22 ms 22 ms 22 ms 213.120.178.141
4 23 ms 22 ms 23 ms 213.120.177.98
5 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 217.41.168.45
6 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms 217.41.168.107
7 23 ms 23 ms 23 ms acc1-10GigE-0-0-0-5.l-far.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.249.78]
8 25 ms 30 ms 27 ms tye-0-0-0-4.faraday.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.249.41]
9 23 ms 23 ms 67 ms peer1-xe8-2-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [213.121.193.129]
10 25 ms 26 ms 26 ms lndgw2.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.124]
11 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms 85.205.116.2
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
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27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
SPEED TEST:
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3136877960
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3136877960"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3136877960.png" /></a>
Ping 29ms
Down 34.79Mbps
Up 7.08 Mbps
PING TEST:
http://www.pingtest.net/result/89949241.png
Line Quality B*
Mos4.33
Ping 25ms
Jitter 0ms
Unable to test packet loss ( ?? ) - so tried again -
http://www.pingtest.net/result/89949287.png
Line Quality A
Mos4.39
Ping 26ms
Jitter 2ms
Packet loss 0%
On BT Broadband (Fibre) Domestic/Retail
Broadband network IP address: 31.52.92.244
Default gateway: 217.32.141.35
Primary DNS: 213.120.234.2
Secondary DNS: 194.72.0.114
Traceroute:
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
C:\Users\Main>tracert 212.183.133.177
Tracing route to cluster4.vap.vodafone.co.uk [212.183.133.177]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms BThomehub.home [192.168.0.254]
2 16 ms 15 ms 15 ms 217.32.141.35
3 15 ms 15 ms 15 ms 217.32.141.62
4 19 ms 18 ms 19 ms 213.120.161.50
5 18 ms 18 ms 19 ms 31.55.164.219
6 19 ms 19 ms 19 ms 31.55.164.109
7 18 ms 19 ms 18 ms acc2-10GigE-0-1-0-6.bm.21cn-ipp.bt.net [109.159.248.222]
8 24 ms 26 ms 26 ms core1-te-0-2-5-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.248.128]
9 24 ms 24 ms 24 ms peer1-xe3-1-0.telehouse.ukcore.bt.net [109.159.254.213]
10 53 ms 26 ms 27 ms lndgw2.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.124]
11 25 ms 25 ms 27 ms 85.205.116.6
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 * * * Request timed out.
14 * * * Request timed out.
15 * * * Request timed out.
16 * * * Request timed out.
17 * * * Request timed out.
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25 * * * Request timed out.
26 * * * Request timed out.
27 * * * Request timed out.
28 * * * Request timed out.
29 * * * Request timed out.
30 * * * Request timed out.
Trace complete.
SPEED TEST:
http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3136908818
<a href="http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3136908818"><img src="http://www.speedtest.net/result/3136908818.png" /></a>
Ping 32ms
Down 34.74Mbps
Up 7.04 Mbps
PING TEST:
http://www.pingtest.net/result/89949836.png
Line Quality A
Mos4.39
Ping 25ms
Jitter 0ms
Packet loss 0%
Anything else you need - please ask
04-12-2013 09:05 AM
Hi HuwM,
Thanks for supplying this information. Both Sure Signals stopped connecting to our servers on the 1st December.
I've done a resync on both devices, can you do the following reset to complete the process?
1 - Hold the reset button until all 4 lights are solid. Don't let go of the button until step 4
2 - Remove the power cable then the LAN cable
3 - Insert ONLY the power cable
4 - When the lights flash 1, 2, 3 then 4 release the reset button and wait for the unit to boot (5 minutes should do it).
5 - Insert the LAN cable and wait.
Let us know how you get on,
Kay
04-12-2013 09:24 AM
Yes I Know they stopped sync-ing then. That's when I last connected using the BT retail log in - since then they have been flashing the two last lights continuously.
I am happy to re-connect using retail for a limited time (limited only because my mail will be off-line for that period) if it helps you to see what's happening. However is the 'reset' proceedure you quote for the Sure Signal 3 ? ( It doesn't sound like it as it has no power lead to disconnect and holding the reset button for as long as you like will never make 4 lights go solid ? )
05-12-2013 02:04 PM
Hi HuwM,
Apologies for the confusion. For a Sure Signal 3, you'll need to follow these steps:
Dave