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Sure Signal not transmitting a 3G signal

Retired-George
Moderator (Retired)
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This issue presents the following symptoms:

 

For version 1 Sure Signal (the one with four lights on the front):

  • Lights one and two are solid which indicates the Sure Signal is connected, but isn't giving a 3G signal.
  • Light four doesn’t light up or lights occasionally and then goes out at certain times of day.

 

For version 2 Sure Signal (the one with 3 lights on the front): 

  • The power and system lights are both solid, indicating that the Sure Signal is giving a 3G signal.
  • Your registered phones don’t pick up a 3G signal.

 

For version 3 Sure Signal (the plug in version):

  • Power, internet and service lights are solid and the ‘in use’ light is either solid or flashing
  • Your registered phones don’t pick up a 3G signal

 

Troubleshooting steps:

Check that your broadband connection meets our minimum requirements.
Please run the broadband speed checker.


If your connection fails any part of the test, this indicates an issue with your Internet Service Provider (ISP) and you’ll need to contact them to discuss this.

 

Your connection speed will vary throughout the day, so we recommend running it at various times to get an accurate reading.

 

To ensure the Sure Signal broadcasts at the correct frequency, it sends and receives small amounts of data to a Network Time Protocol Server hosted by ourselves. If these packets of data take longer than 240ms to make a round-trip, the accuracy can no longer be ensured and so the Sure Signal will automatically stop broadcasting and light four will go out.

 

Check for planned maintenance.

Planned maintenance can cause periods of downtime, so check the forum for any planned maintenance. If there is, this will be announced at the top of the Sure Signal forum.

 

Reset your Sure Signal:

 

  1. Hold in the reset button until all lights go solid
  2. Pull the power lead out with the reset button still pushed in
  3. Continue to hold down the reset button and reconnect the power lead
  4. Wait for all lights to come on and then release the reset button

 

The Sure Signal will be back online in around 1 hour.

 

Configure your Router Firewall.
The IP address and ports used for NTP (Network Time Protocol) synchronisation are listed below. You may need these to configure the correct firewall settings on your router.

 

This step isn’t usually necessary, but it may help if you’re using a complex network (such as a corporate or office LAN), or a complex router.

 

We recommend contacting your ISP or router manufacturer directly for detailed instructions on exactly how to change your router settings. Alternatively, select your router make and model over at http://portforward.com and follow the default guide there.

Destination IP addresses:

  • 212.183.133.181
  • 212.183.133.182
  • 212.183.131.128/26

 

  • Protocol = UDP
  • Port = 123


Please note that in the list of IP addresses above, the notation "212.183.131.128/26"means the entire range of IP addresses between 212.183.131.128 and 212.183.131.191

 

Perform a PathPing to our server.

In order to check if the Sure Signal's able to communicate with our NTP server, a PathPing can be performed as a test. In order to do this, you'll need to open the command prompt in Windows as follows:

  • For XP just click Start > Run and type cmd then hit enter
  • For Vista/Windows 7, press Start and type 'cmd' into the search bar
  • Right click the result and click ‘Run As Administrator’


Once you're in the command prompt, type in PathPing 212.183.133.181. This will perform a trace route to the NTP server and will show you the route it took to get there. One of the columns will display packet loss, if this occurs before hitting our server, you'll need to contact your ISP for further assistance.

 

If you've completed all the troubleshooting steps above and not identified the cause of the issue, your Sure Signal may be faulty. Please post in this thread and we can look into it further.

 

Thanks,

 

Jenny

1 ACCEPTED SOLUTION

Hello

 

serial number 21224717989 version 1

 

the sure signal stopped working a few days ago after a lont internet outage (2 hours), presented with only light 1 flashing.

 

I have done a little troubleshooting and have now manged to get to light 1 and 2 solid.

 

how is it looking from your end?

 

 

Internet speed >5 Mbps ping normally <55ms.

 

pathping 

C:\WINDOWS\system32>pathping 212.183.133.181

Tracing route to 212.183.133.181 over a maximum of 30 hops

0 XPS-M133064BIT.int.hillblock.com [192.168.1.104]
1 WRT54GL [192.168.1.251]
2 192.168.1.250
3 losubs.subs.dsl5.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.83.10]
4 no-dns-yet-62-3-86-29.zen.co.uk [62.3.86.29]
5 ge-2-0-0-0.cr1.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.49]
6 ge-3-0-0-0.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.45]
7 ldngw1.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.209]
8 85.205.116.14
9 * * *
Computing statistics for 200 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 XPS-M133064BIT.int.hillblock.com [192.168.1.104]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 1ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% WRT54GL [192.168.1.251]
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 1ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.1.250
1/ 100 = 1% |
3 44ms 2/ 100 = 2% 1/ 100 = 1% losubs.subs.dsl5.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.83.10]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 45ms 1/ 100 = 1% 0/ 100 = 0% no-dns-yet-62-3-86-29.zen.co.uk [62.3.86.29]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 46ms 1/ 100 = 1% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-2-0-0-0.cr1.wh-man.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.49]
1/ 100 = 1% |
6 54ms 2/ 100 = 2% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-3-0-0-0.cr2.th-lon.zen.net.uk [62.3.80.45]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 54ms 2/ 100 = 2% 0/ 100 = 0% ldngw1.arcor-ip.net [195.66.224.209]
98/ 100 = 98% |
8 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% 85.205.116.14

Trace complete.

 

Can you see the sure signal from your end?

 

Thanks in advance

IAn

 

 

FIXED

 

Came back about an hour later and it is working OK

 

Don't you just hate it when that happens

 

Ian

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austi
Not applicable
I Purchased my Sure Signal later, not sure I have come across something so complicated to get working for many years. Its registered and I get lights 1 & 2 on but not 4, also unable to register any users.

tmstephenson501
Not applicable
My sure signal is registered (confirmed on my account), the ip settings have been checked. I have registered an additional device and I have received email / text notification that the device should be working but I still only have leds 1&2 on.. what do I need to do to get the Sure Signal 'ready for use' and the Service (led 4) on??
This device was purchased by my business as I need to be availabe 24x7, the signal in my area is shocking so I need to get this working asap.. any advice/help would be greatly appreciated.

tmstephenson501
Not applicable

My sure signal is registered (confirmed on my account), the ip settings have been checked. I have registered an additional device and I have received email / text notification that the device should be working but I still only have leds 1&2 on.. what do I need to do to get the Sure Signal 'ready for use' and the Service (led 4) on??
This device was purchased by my business as I need to be availabe 24x7, the signal in my area is shocking so I need to get this working asap.. any advice/help would be greatly appreciated.


Update - it seems I just needed to be more patient! the 4th led has now come on and full signal is available. Note I had to wait over 2 hours after all of the above steps for the led to miraculously come on :)

willowsbms
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Hi, sorry i'm new to this and i'm not to sure i'm doing this right.

I've had my sure signal set up for over a week now and i just have lights one and two on solid. My ISP (after a number of phone calls)has opened all port, upgraded my firmware, disabled openzone as instructed by Vodafone and various posts on here but still nothing. Vodafone are offering no help as they say it is my router, as both lights are solid on 1 & 2. My internet speed is more than adequate. the only thing the BT engineer noticed is that in my router setting it is saying that my status of my sure signal box is offline even though the first two lights are on solid and the cable in the Sure Signal box has a solid green light on all the time and a flashing orange light. if i disconnect the network cable and replug this in it stays online for about 5 mins and then goes offline (normally after the 2nd light turns solid).
I have tried factory resets, different cables, different ports on the router but still nothing.

Please Help as if not i will have to cancel my contract with Vodafone

Retired-BenJ
Moderator (Retired)
Moderator (Retired)
Hi austi

This definitely sounds like a NTP issue, I would check your upload speed with your broadband provider.

Hi TMs
Glad this is sorted!

Hi willowsbms

As this is controlled by BT hardware its a bit difficult to say why this is happening. Have you opened your NTP port?


Thanks
BenJ
eForum Team

julesmed
1: Seeker
My sure signal has been working for months, but electric tripped today and I can only get lights 1 and 2 on solid, 4 is not coming on, should i be patient and give it more time

rpgrayson
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My sure signal has been working for months, but electric tripped today and I can only get lights 1 and 2 on solid, 4 is not coming on, should i be patient and give it more time


Same problem here,

Me and my partner have two sure signals at our address each connected through a different broadband line. Mine connects through the domestic ADSL connection and hers is through her work ADSL connection. On 5 October both sure signals went down and after about 24 hours hers came back on but mine has remained down. the first and second lights are solidly lit, but the fourth light never lights up despite leaving it for hours. The ping test works completely, as below and her sure signal connects satisfactorily through my broadband line while mine refuses to connect on her line. The website reports no-fault and my BT home hub is unchanged from the last 9 months, during which the sure signal has been perfectly functional.

I believe that to get a working sure signal on my line proves that the broadband is working, and for my sure signal to be not working on a line on which another sure signal is known to work, proves a fault with my device. However Vodafone customer services failed to respond to my fault report which I sent 4 days ago.

My partner has 4 cellphones connected through her own sure signal so I need another sure signal to allow my own phone to work.

can anybody see any other reason why this could have happened?

the ping I did is as below;


Microsoft Windows
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\xxxx\pathping 212.183.133.181

Tracing route to host212-183-133-181.uk.access.vodafone.net
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 studyLaptop.home
1 BThomehub.home
2 217.47.251.122
3 217.47.251.161
4 213.1.69.22
5 217.32.27.58
6 217.32.27.182
7 acc2-10GigE-10-2-0.mr.21cn-ipp.bt.net
8 109.159.250.137
9 transit1-xe-11-0-0.ilford.ukcore.bt.net
10 t2c1-ge8-0-0.uk-ilf.eu.bt.net
11 po4-0-1.ar6.LON3.gblx.net
12 VODAFONE-LTD.TenGigabitEthernet7-1.ar6.LON3.gblx.net
13 * * *
Computing statistics for 300 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 studyLaptop.home
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% BThomehub.home
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 51ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 217.47.251.122
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 --- 100/ 100 =100% 100/ 100 =100% 217.47.251.161
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 44ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 213.1.69.22
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 46ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 217.32.27.58
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 43ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 217.32.27.182
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 46ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% acc2-10GigE-10-2-0.mr.21cn-ipp.bt.
net
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 53ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 109.159.250.137
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 57ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% transit1-xe-11-0-0.ilford.ukcore.b
t.net
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 52ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% t2c1-ge8-0-0.uk-ilf.eu.bt.net
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 56ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% po4-0-1.ar6.LON3.gblx.net
100/ 100 =100% |
12 --- 100/ 100 =100% 0/ 100 = 0% VODAFONE-LTD.TenGigabitEthernet7-1
.ar6.LON3.gblx.net

Trace complete.

Retired-George
Moderator (Retired)
Moderator (Retired)
Hi guys,

julesmed, firstly, a very warm welcome to the eForum Family :). If the electric has tripped then you may just need to reboot your router as well as your Sure Signal to ensure that they're both connecting correctly. Give that a go and let me know how you get on :).


rpgrayson, it's a bit strange that one of your Sure Signals is working but the other isn't :wacko:. Having taken a look at your Pathping results, it looks like you've experienced a packet data failure over the core BT network, this is why it's not working. It may be worth trying to reset your router as well your Sure Signal as this may result in it connecting differently. If this fails though then I'd recommend contacting your ISP.


George
eForum Team

JontyRose
Not applicable
Hi there,

I have this problem too. So i try to Ping your server (212.183.133.181), nothing - could be my connection.

So i try to ping it from a DNS check website and get this:


Ping 212.183.133.181

Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out
Timed out


Average time over 10 pings: 0 ms




Am i doing something wrong here?




thanks.

JontyRose
Not applicable
apologies for the random markup!







Am i doing something wrong here?




thanks.