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02-10-2015 09:45 PM
02-01-2016 08:32 PM - edited 02-01-2016 08:33 PM
So how come EE are spending Billions getting 99% population and 90% geographic coverage then?
I think EE are looking to the future and Vodafone won't have a future if they aren't carful.
A mobile network has to be mobile. In other words it must work everywhere.
What is the point of having great internet coverage in your home city and then going on holiday to Cornwall and finding you have nothing but voice?
It's (or should be) a "mobile" network.
A network that just works where you live might as well be a fixed network.
Imagine if you bought a Nissan and you could drive everywhere over the UK but your friend bought a Seat and had to stop at Bristol as there were no seat compatible roads in the South West?
By the end of this year EE will have the vast majority of their masts doing 4G1800 with 4G800 filling in the gaps and not spots.
Vodafone are going to be screwed unless they get real and wake up!!!
02-01-2016 08:42 PM
I can only comment on information that is available to everyone publicly but I would imagine that a large part of the answer is that Vodafone has a huge number of mobile markets to invest in and build out whereas EE only has the UK to worry about. With Vodafone the UK has to meet strict business economic targets to get its share of scare resources (money). And we know that profits in the UK are under pressure.
The last time I looked Vodafone had £40 billion of loans that have provided the working capital it needs to build out their networks. The interest charges alone cost Vodafone £1 billion a year.
02-01-2016 06:54 PM
@devonbloke wrote:Can anyone tell me why after 15 odd years Vodafone have got virtually no 3G in South Devon?.
Vodafone won't comment on why there isn't a particular signal type in your area. You can however, use the Coverage Checker to see if there are any planned upgrades in you area in the next 3 months.
@devonbloke wrote:Also why does the coverage map show 2G as 3G, almost as if Vodafone are embarrased about it?
It doesn't - it shows that you can only get data on 2G and not 3G.
@devonbloke wrote:EE appear to be lighting up 4G mast after 4G mast nearly weekly here but all Vodafone have done is turned on 1 telegraph pole mast in Kingsbridge in the last 12 months. Are we to get one mast every 12 months? That will take a while won't it?
Do remember that EE were given a massive headstart on all other providers which is why they are so far ahead in their roll out. Vodafone are currently spending millions of £ a day in their roll out, and whilst they may only have done one transmitter, this doesn't indicate that they are finished or that they will only upgrade 1 every 12 months.
PWIAC
02-01-2016 06:50 PM
02-01-2016 09:45 PM
Thanks
GL
02-01-2016 09:56 PM
At March 2015 short and long term loans on the Vodafone plc balance sheet amounted to £40,154,000,000. That's an increase from the prior year number of £32,786,000,000. At the same time group cash reserves fell from £10 billion to £6.9 billion.
So no - loans have not vastly reduced.
Vodafone is now also about a lot more than mobile phones - they have broadband and the holy grail is the so-called quad play with TV as well. It's looks very likely that there will be a tie up with Liberty Global (Virgin Media in this country) sometime soon.
02-01-2016 10:48 PM
@GreenLantern wrote:
It's clear that EE's strategy of investment has paid off their network is now sufficiently ahead of any competitors and it shows - and that is a real shame.
Do remember that EE had about a 10 month head start on the other networks, so from that aspect they will be further ahead. Also, they repurposed some of the existing spectrum that they owned, which means that they were able to roll out 4G a lot faster.
At the same time that Vodafone are rolling out 4G, they are also working on improving the 3G signal. So there should be, in the long run, improvements in both 3G and 4G. But, the negative is that in the short term the roll out is going to take a bit longer.
PWIAC
02-01-2016 09:58 PM
Thanks
GL
02-01-2016 10:01 PM - edited 02-01-2016 10:04 PM
I think a lot of it went back to shareholders via dividends and share buy back schemes. They've also used to to continue acquiring around the globe. Vodafone is the second largest mobile network in the world.
In the year to March 2014 dividend payments were £40 billion - that's the verizon money.